Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-12 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:42 PM Joe wrote: > For a version upgrade, yes, this is Standard Operational Practice. The > main reasoning is that the upgrade has been tested in that way i.e. > from the final version of everything in the old distribution, and has > not been tested from earlier software

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-12 Thread Jochen Spieker
Nicholas Geovanis: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:01 PM Jochen Spieker wrote: >> >> There should not be that many changes, but I generally would only >> upgrade to a newer release when the current system is up-to-date with >> regards to its current version. > > I'm trying to understand your

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-11 Thread Joe
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:18:48 -0500 Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:01 PM Jochen Spieker > wrote: > > > > There should not be that many changes, but I generally would only > > upgrade to a newer release when the current system is up-to-date > > with regards to its current

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 06:12:45PM +0200, sgarrulo wrote: > Situation like "yeah, I'll upgrade my terminal because it's harmless", and > then > it stops working because I did not upgrade also lib-foo-bar-baz which is used > by my terminal. That exact situation would be a bug, and should be

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-11 Thread sgarrulo
On Tue, 2018-07-10 at 22:00 +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: > sgarrulo: > > > > I had an installation of debian stable (stretch) which was fully upgraded > > something > > like a couple of months ago. Then I passed it to testing (buster). > > There should not be that many changes, but I generally

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-11 Thread sgarrulo
On Tue, 2018-07-10 at 16:29 +0200, Hans wrote: > Please also note, tzhat there is a difference, between using apt (apt-get) > and  > aptitude. > > The way, I prefewr, is using apt-get upgrade (which installs only newer  > packages, and let the problematic ones uninstalled), then using apt-get

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-11 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:01 PM Jochen Spieker wrote: > > There should not be that many changes, but I generally would only > upgrade to a newer release when the current system is up-to-date with > regards to its current version. I'm trying to understand your recommendation. It seems you advise

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-11 Thread sgarrulo
On Tue, 2018-07-10 at 10:13 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > If I were experiencing a similar situation, what I'd do is try to > simultaneously install both one of the packages that triggers the > cascade and one or more of the packages which the cascade wants to > remove, and keep adding packages to

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-11 Thread sgarrulo
On Tue, 2018-07-10 at 14:08 +0100, Joe wrote: > > What I do is to temporarily switch from upgrade-system to Synaptic. It > is relatively quick to select a few innocent-looking packages from the > big list, and check that they go through without a problem. After a few > tries, you can see where

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-10 Thread Jochen Spieker
sgarrulo: > > I had an installation of debian stable (stretch) which was fully upgraded > something > like a couple of months ago. Then I passed it to testing (buster). There should not be that many changes, but I generally would only upgrade to a newer release when the current system is

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-10 Thread Hans
Please also note, tzhat there is a difference, between using apt (apt-get) and aptitude. The way, I prefewr, is using apt-get upgrade (which installs only newer packages, and let the problematic ones uninstalled), then using apt-get full- upgrade. When there are packages deinstalled, reinstall

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 2018-07-10 at 06:55, sgarrulo wrote: > Hello everyone! > I had an installation of debian stable (stretch) which was fully > upgraded something like a couple of months ago. Then I passed it to > testing (buster). > > Now I'm facing this situation: > * 5031 installed packages > * 1292

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-10 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 09:39:44AM -0400, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > Hi.. Been there, done that, filed a bug, got fussed at, vented here at > Debian-User. Moral of the Story: I don't file ANY BUGS anymore. I > spend that time advocating important subjects related to #Life > instead. lol! >

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-10 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 7/10/18, sgarrulo wrote: > Hello everyone! > I had an installation of debian stable (stretch) which was fully upgraded > something > like a couple of months ago. Then I passed it to testing (buster). > > Now I'm facing this situation: > * 5031 installed packages > * 1292 upgradable packages >

Re: Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-10 Thread Joe
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:55:26 +0200 sgarrulo wrote: > Hello everyone! > I had an installation of debian stable (stretch) which was fully > upgraded something like a couple of months ago. Then I passed it to > testing (buster). > > Now I'm facing this situation: > * 5031 installed packages > *

Buster and apt wanting to remove tons of packages...

2018-07-10 Thread sgarrulo
Hello everyone! I had an installation of debian stable (stretch) which was fully upgraded something like a couple of months ago. Then I passed it to testing (buster). Now I'm facing this situation: * 5031 installed packages * 1292 upgradable packages If I do a normal upgrade, 676 packages are