Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-06-21 Thread steef
Ian Langnickel wrote: Hi Steef, as my mailrules fail to automatically move your messages into my mailinglist folder and I always have to move them manually I would like to ask you to correct some setting in your mailreader software. The To: header is broken with your current configuration, I

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2005-06-20 Thread steef
Original Message Subject:Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:24:52 +0200 From: Ian Langnickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Steef

Re: [Fwd: Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System]

2005-06-20 Thread Steve Lamb
steef wrote: No message from ya so I presume you're wondering why he would be saying there's a problem? Illegal-Object: Syntax error in To: address found on mailgate.god.de: To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:gebruikerslijst debian-user@lists.debian.org He's partially correct and partially

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-06-19 Thread steef
Steve Lamb wrote: steef wrote: Vincent Lnngren wrote: Actually, it refuses to defrag ext3 filesystems, because they have unsupported features. why would you do that for heaven's sake? Vincent was replying to an old thread. Already discussed at length.

Re: Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-06-18 Thread Vincent Lönngren
Actually, it refuses to defrag ext3 filesystems, because they have unsupported features. -- Vincent Lnngren [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-06-18 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 10:04:16AM +0200, Vincent Lnngren wrote: Actually, it refuses to defrag ext3 filesystems, because they have unsupported features. There is no need to defrag modern *nix filesystems. Why even bother? -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-06-18 Thread steef
Vincent Lnngren wrote: Actually, it refuses to defrag ext3 filesystems, because they have unsupported features. why would you do that for heaven's sake? regards, steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-06-18 Thread Steve Lamb
steef wrote: Vincent Lnngren wrote: Actually, it refuses to defrag ext3 filesystems, because they have unsupported features. why would you do that for heaven's sake? Vincent was replying to an old thread. Already discussed at length. Check archives. :) -- Steve C. Lamb

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-06-02 Thread Todd A. Jacobs
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 11:24:47PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Package: defrag [..] Description: ext2, minix and xiafs filesystem defragmenter Wouldn't risk it on ext3. If it shouldn't be used on It will work fine on a cleanly-unmounted ext3 partition (e.g. with no peding log replays).

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 03:31:20AM +0100, Carlos Rodrigues wrote: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Ok, I get your message, but for my gratification, insight and knowledge of Linux how do I get the programs to run without error and not distroy my harddisk? I'll run e2fsck to check on defragmentation

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-26 Thread Joris Huizer
Leonard Chatagnier wrote: On Sunday 22 May 2005 03:33 pm, Bill Mair wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Ok, I get your message, but for my gratification, insight and knowledge of Linux how do I get the programs to run without error and not distroy my harddisk? snip debian

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-23 Thread Steve Lamb
Carlos Rodrigues wrote: And after 8 years using Linux all the time, I came to find the MS-land rituals somewhat exotic (if unix filesystems take care of themselves, why can't the so called New Technology File System?). It can. NTFS is a dirivative of OS/2's HPFS. HPFS didn't have a

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-05-20 17:10:25, schrieb Leonard Chatagnier: Have read manuals and done Google Debian search but can't get e2defrag to run on KI 2.6.8-2-686 with Ext 3 FS. Here's what I did and results: ChatagnierL-Home:/var/log# *e2defrag -drsv /dev/hda2*

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-23 Thread Mike
Carlos Rodrigues wrote: The references on this are mostly highly technical, and you can find a bunch of those by googling. But sometimes the best way to is just to try and forget the habits learned on MS-land and adopt a wait-and-see approach. Just let your filesystems be, and in time you

Re: Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System-No Problem!

2005-05-23 Thread Leonard Chatagnier
Thanks to everyone who patiently helped me to remove all my scepticism about defragging a linux system. I am convinced and Carlos Rodrigues' explanation of how a linux/unix fs works went a long way in doing this. I'm going to remove/purge e2defrag from my HD and just forget about defragging

Re: Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Leonard Chatagnier
Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Ok, I get your message, but for my gratification, insight and knowledge of Linux how do I get the programs to run without error and not distroy my harddisk? I'll run e2fsck to check on defragmentation but would still like to know how to run the defrag program. Thanks

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Leonard Chatagnier
Adam Fabian wrote: On 5/20/05, Leonard Chatagnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more than 5 months old and has never been defragged but I'm still very much a newbie. It's very unlikely that your filesystem needs defragmenting after 5 months. As other have already noted, ext3 isn't prone

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Ok, I get your message, but for my gratification, insight and knowledge of Linux how do I get the programs to run without error and not distroy my harddisk? I'd say you're not getting the message. You don't need to do it. Period. Full stop. There is no

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sunday May 22 2005 2:24 am, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Ok, I get your message, but for my gratification, insight and knowledge of Linux how do I get the programs to run without error and not distroy my harddisk? I'll run e2fsck to check on defragmentation but

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sunday May 22 2005 2:55 am, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Adam Fabian wrote: On 5/20/05, Leonard Chatagnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more than 5 months old and has never been defragged but I'm still very much a newbie. It's very unlikely that your filesystem needs defragmenting after 5

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Bill Mair
Steve Lamb wrote: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Ok, I get your message, but for my gratification, insight and knowledge of Linux how do I get the programs to run without error and not distroy my harddisk? I'd say you're not getting the message. You don't need to do it. Period. Full

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Rob Bochan
On Sunday 22 May 2005 03:33 pm, Bill Mair wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Ok, I get your message, but for my gratification, insight and knowledge of Linux how do I get the programs to run without error and not distroy my harddisk? snip debian FS != DOS FS more snip This

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Adam Fabian
On 5/22/05, Leonard Chatagnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Fabian wrote: On 5/20/05, Leonard Chatagnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more than 5 months old and has never been defragged but I'm still very much a newbie. It's very unlikely that your filesystem needs defragmenting

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread John Hasler
Rob writes: This is about the best explanation I've ever seen, even if it a couple of years old now: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.mandrake/msg/38a9eeb8d01b1dbb?hl=en Also of note is the fact that ext2 uses a loosest fit algorithm (also known as worst fit) rather than the

Re: Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Leonard Chatagnier
On Sunday 22 May 2005 03:33 pm, Bill Mair wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Ok, I get your message, but for my gratification, insight and knowledge of Linux how do I get the programs to run without error and not distroy my harddisk? snip debian FS != DOS FS more snip This

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-22 Thread Carlos Rodrigues
Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Thanks for the reply as I would like to get to the bottom of this. I get the general message. However, contrary to what has been said, I have at least one partition with 4.5% fragmentation(e2fsck reports) which I don't consider a trivial amound. It is a trivial

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-21 Thread Adam Fabian
On 5/20/05, Leonard Chatagnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more than 5 months old and has never been defragged but I'm still very much a newbie. It's very unlikely that your filesystem needs defragmenting after 5 months. As other have already noted, ext3 isn't prone to fragmentation. I wasn't

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-21 Thread Carlos Rodrigues
Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Ok, I get your message, but for my gratification, insight and knowledge of Linux how do I get the programs to run without error and not distroy my harddisk? I'll run e2fsck to check on defragmentation but would still like to know how to run the defrag program. Thanks

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-20 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Have read manuals and done Google Debian search but can't get e2defrag to run on KI 2.6.8-2-686 with Ext 3 FS. Here's what I did and results: ChatagnierL-Home:/var/log# *e2defrag -drsv /dev/hda2* DEBUG: read_tables() e2defrag (/dev/hda2): filesystem has

Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday May 20 2005 10:10 am, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Have read manuals and done Google Debian search but can't get e2defrag to run on KI 2.6.8-2-686 with Ext 3 FS. Don't bother. Fragmentation isn't a problem on ext2 and ext3, I really can't see any justification for e2defrag's

Re: Re: Can't Defrag Ext3 File System

2005-05-20 Thread Leonard Chatagnier
On Friday May 20 2005 10:10 am, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: Have read manuals and done Google Debian search but can't get e2defrag to run on KI 2.6.8-2-686 with Ext 3 FS. Paul Johnson Wrote: Don't bother. Fragmentation isn't a problem on ext2 and ext3, I really can't see any justification for