On 2013-12-29 23:39:41 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> I've orphaned xpp in 2010, and that's after it was as good as dead upstream
> since 2005 with no releases. The last time anyone touched the code upstream
> was in 2008.
>
> IMHO, we should just remove it from Debian. It was damn
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> * xpp does not support UTF-8
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630717
I've orphaned xpp in 2010, and that's after it was as good as dead upstream
since 2005 with no releases. The last time anyone touched the code upstream
was in 200
On 2013-12-14 14:46:03 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Pavel Volkov wrote:
> > What's wrong with UTF-8 currently?
>
> fmt: incorrect formatting of UTF-8 text
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650381
>
> tr: fails to replace umlauts
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cg
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> Bob Proulx wrote:
>>>
>>> The most notable source of problems are /etc/init.d/foo where foo
>>> doesn't have current LSB headers. Those files cause problems when
>>> upgrading because the new 'insserv' program used in Wheezy to
Tom H wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > The most notable source of problems are /etc/init.d/foo where foo
> > doesn't have current LSB headers. Those files cause problems when
> > upgrading because the new 'insserv' program used in Wheezy to set up
> > parallel booting can't work without the dependen
On Wed 18 Dec 2013 at 14:13:10 +, Tom H wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Brian wrote:
> >
> > The goal to have native systemd support in every package with sysv
> > scripts (if accepted) and a decision on a new init system may be
> > related, but only the first is linked to the time
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 15 Dec 2013 at 14:03:36 +, Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
> Debian doesn't have deadlines.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
>
> The most notable source of problems are /etc/init.d/foo where foo
> doesn't have current LSB headers. Those files cause problems when
> upgrading because the new 'insserv' program used in Wheezy to set up
> parallel booting can't work withou
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 15 Dec 2013 at 14:03:36 +, Tom H wrote:
>
> The goal to have native systemd support in every package with sysv
> scripts (if accepted) and a decision on a new init system may be
> related, but only the first is linked to the time of the f
On Sun 15 Dec 2013 at 14:03:36 +, Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >> On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
> >>>
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
>>>
>>> Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
>>> a couple of years for a decision to be made.
>>
>> I don't think
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 16:14 +, Tom H wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:
>>>
I've browsed through the hot debates here
https://wiki.debian.org/Deb
2013-12-15 10:04 keltezéssel, Pavel Volkov írta:
>> In my opinion one of the best features of Debian is that it supports
>> upgrades. It isn't necessary to reinstall. At worst it is easier to
>> take some _packages_ (some packages not the system, such as GNOME or
>> KDE) off the system before doi
On 15/12/13 20:04, Pavel Volkov wrote:
> On Saturday 14 December 2013 15:02:04 Bob Proulx wrote:
>> In my opinion one of the best features of Debian is that it supports
>> upgrades. It isn't necessary to reinstall. At worst it is easier to
>> take some _packages_ (some packages not the system, su
On Saturday 14 December 2013 15:02:04 Bob Proulx wrote:
> In my opinion one of the best features of Debian is that it supports
> upgrades. It isn't necessary to reinstall. At worst it is easier to
> take some _packages_ (some packages not the system, such as GNOME or
> KDE) off the system before
Pavel Volkov wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > In the future if Debian changes to a new init then it will be set up
> > such that there is an upgrade path from one to the other. Because
> > there are *lots* of Debian machines out in the world and Debian is all
> > about being able to upgrade.
>
> It
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:06:43 +0100, Pavel Volkov
wrote:
Why do you think it will be systemd?
Read the wiki page from my initial mail
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
You can click on "systemd", "upstart" etc. there and see why it's
considered good or bad.
I ask, because this is wha
Pavel Volkov wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> > The call for release goals has finished and we have received the
> > following proposals:
> >
> >* UTF-8
>
> What's wrong with UTF-8 currently?
fmt: incorrect formatting of UTF-8 text
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650381
tr
On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 18:13:29 +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
> > > a couple of years for a decision to be made.
> >
On Friday 13 December 2013 17:26:01 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> So if I later today set up Debian stable, I better directly drop init
> and install systemd during installation? I dislike systemd, but I
> already use it for a long time with my Arch Linux.
>
> IOW, Debian will drop init and will switch to
On Friday 13 December 2013 10:44:24 Bob Proulx wrote:
> In the future if Debian changes to a new init then it will be set up
> such that there is an upgrade path from one to the other. Because
> there are *lots* of Debian machines out in the world and Debian is all
> about being able to upgrade.
On Friday 13 December 2013 18:13:29 Brian wrote:
> The call for release goals has finished and we have received the
> following proposals:
>
>* UTF-8
What's wrong with UTF-8 currently?
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On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 10:44 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Tom H wrote:
> > > But the earlier in the cycle that a decision is taken, the better.
> >
> > So if I later today set up Debian stable, I better directly drop init
> > and install systemd during installation?
>
> No.
On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
> >
> > Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
> > a couple of years for a decision to be made.
>
> I don't think so. A timeline has not been decided yet, but it
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
> > But the earlier in the cycle that a decision is taken, the better.
>
> So if I later today set up Debian stable, I better directly drop init
> and install systemd during installation?
No. In Debian Stable today the default is sysvinit and everything has
bee
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 16:14 +, Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:
> >
> >> I've browsed through the hot debates here
> >> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
> >>
> >> and the LWN article https://lwn.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:
>
>> I've browsed through the hot debates here
>> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
>>
>> and the LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/572805/
>>
>> But there's no mention about when t
On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
>
> Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
> a couple of years for a decision to be made.
I don't think so. A timeline has not been decided yet, but it is my
understanding that a decision is definitely wanted for Jessie and
On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:
> I've browsed through the hot debates here
> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
>
> and the LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/572805/
>
> But there's no mention about when the deadline for the final decision on
> future
> in
I've browsed through the hot debates here
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
and the LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/572805/
But there's no mention about when the deadline for the final decision on future
init system(s) is.
I have to prepare my heart for it, does anybody know?
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