On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 01:43:50 -0400 (EDT), Tixy wrote:
Wikipedia, that font of all wisdom, says of NX [1]
...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_bit
From that same article, the section on the Linux kernel says this:
The support for this feature in the 64-bit mode on x86-64 CPUs was
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 06:45:10AM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
Furtherfore, a non-PAE kernel is
useful even on PAE-capable hardware. The main purpose of PAE is to
address memory above 4G. But if the machine has less than 4G of
memory, what does a PAE-capable kernel buy you? PAE-capable
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 06:28:53 -0400 (EDT), Bret Busby wrote:
On 15/08/2015, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
...
My IBM ThinkPad X31 laptop, which is still quite usable,
would be a brick if I ran Ubuntu. It has a Pentium M
processor in it, and that processor does not have the PAE
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:52:30 -0400 (EDT), Mirko Parthey wrote:
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 06:45:10AM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
Furtherfore, a non-PAE kernel is
useful even on PAE-capable hardware. The main purpose of PAE is to
address memory above 4G. But if the machine has less than 4G of
On Mon, 2015-08-24 at 20:44 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:52:30 -0400 (EDT), Mirko Parthey wrote:
One such benefit is that the NX bit (non-executable memory pages)
is only available with 64 bit page table entries, which in turn depend on
PAE mode. This could be an
On 15/08/2015, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 04:23:17 -0400 (EDT), didier gaumet wrote:
Sorry, I didn't catch you were using Ubuntu. Apparently, Ubuntu has
dropped support for 586 procs (their 386 linux images being in fact
686 ones). That's not the case in
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:31:23 +0800
Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
And, what led to the discussion regarding the PAE problem, was related
to the original post in the thread, if you bother to read and follow
the thread, instead of simply directing your effort to the urinating
up the
On 15/08/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15/08/2015, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 04:23:17 -0400 (EDT), didier gaumet wrote:
Sorry, I didn't catch you were using Ubuntu. Apparently, Ubuntu has
dropped support for 586 procs (their 386 linux
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 06:31:23 -0400 (EDT), Bret Busby wrote:
You can denigrate Ubuntu Linux all you want, but there is no need for
your denigration, to be public, or, on this list.
...
There's no need to get defensive, my friend. I was simply expressing my
approval of Debian's management
Hi!
My advice would be MATE. Runs perfectly on D8 and may be installed during
setup. Great choice for those, who liked gnome2.
2015-08-14 6:04 GMT+03:00 Seeker seeker5...@comcast.net:
On 8/13/2015 4:58 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
On 13/08/2015, didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com
Le 14/08/2015 02:39, Stephen Powell a écrit :
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 03:20:59 -0400 (EDT), didier gaumet wrote:
Gnome-flashback has replaced gnome-fallback: isn't it 2D compatible,
relying on Metacity instead of Mutter?
I don't know. All I know is that GNOME3 only worked for me in fallback
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 04:23:17 -0400 (EDT), didier gaumet wrote:
Sorry, I didn't catch you were using Ubuntu. Apparently, Ubuntu has
dropped support for 586 procs (their 386 linux images being in fact
686 ones). That's not the case in Debian, x86 non-PAE procs still being
supported
Le 13/08/2015 06:09, Bret Busby a écrit :
Since you have mentioned an old system, I should perhaps mention
that apparently, Linux has abandoned support for Celeron CPU's, as,
having installed ubuntu-mate 15.09 on my HP/Compaq NX5000 which has a
Celeron CPU, and the associated and subsequent
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 17:29:38 -0400 (EDT)
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:07:47 -0400 (EDT), Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
Hello Debian users ??
I am currently a Debian Jessie XFCE user.
I want to have your views on Gnome VS XFCE.
I want to try Gnome but I
Le 13/08/2015 03:20, Stephen Powell a écrit :
When GNOME 3 first came out, it had a fallback mode for systems without
3D graphics acceleration capability. Fallback mode was essentially the
GNOME 2 interface. I continued to use GNOME 3 in fallback mode for a
while. Changing desktops is a
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 08:08:26AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
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As for desktops: Two months ago i tried Gnome (eeek !) and
XFCE (moan). Then i went back to fvwm2, which is terribly
unconfigured when installed from Debian package.
Similar
Sorry, I did n't catch you were using Ubuntu. Apparently, Ubuntu has
dropped support for 586 procs (their 386 linux images being in fact
686 ones). That's not the case in Debian, x86 non-PAE procs still being
supported (linux-image-*-586)
On 13/08/2015, didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 13/08/2015 06:09, Bret Busby a écrit :
Since you have mentioned an old system, I should perhaps mention
that apparently, Linux has abandoned support for Celeron CPU's, as,
having installed ubuntu-mate 15.09 on my HP/Compaq NX5000
On 13/08/2015, didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, I did n't catch you were using Ubuntu. Apparently, Ubuntu has
dropped support for 586 procs (their 386 linux images being in fact
686 ones). That's not the case in Debian, x86 non-PAE procs still being
supported
Le 13/08/2015 12:13, Bret Busby a écrit :
i386 is 686, and not 586 ?
Yes, I think that 386 Ubuntu Linux images are build with 686 instruction
set compatibility. 386 meaning here x86.
Anyway, you might have a way to force enabling PAE on your Celeron in
Ubuntu:
On 13/08/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13/08/2015, didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, I did n't catch you were using Ubuntu. Apparently, Ubuntu has
dropped support for 586 procs (their 386 linux images being in fact
686 ones). That's not the case in Debian,
Le sextidi 26 thermidor, an CCXXIII, Thomas Schmitt a écrit :
There are several descendants of program xeyes around.
Including xeyes itself; any half-decent window-manager should be able to
swallow an arbitrary window and turn it into an applet.
As for desktops: Two months ago i tried Gnome
Hi,
rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
(except for the pair of eyes, which I greatly miss).
There are several descendants of program xeyes around.
My favorite time waster on Sun4 was oneko, the mouse chasing cat.
As for desktops: Two months ago i tried Gnome (eeek !) and
XFCE (moan). Then i went back
I am currently a Debian Jessie XFCE user.
I want to have your views on Gnome VS XFCE.
I want to try Gnome but I want to know if Gnome is stable and works
constantly without freezing and crashing.
Please share me your experience with Debian Gnome.
With Kind Regards,
Dwijesh
I haven't had
On 13/08/2015, didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 13/08/2015 12:13, Bret Busby a écrit :
i386 is 686, and not 586 ?
Yes, I think that 386 Ubuntu Linux images are build with 686 instruction
set compatibility. 386 meaning here x86.
Anyway, you might have a way to force
Hi,
Nicolas George wrote:
[fvwm2] it seems ill-loved by Debian maintainers:
I was prepared to give it up. Especially after knowing
the configuration it had on Debian 6. Since i use that
machine mainly via SSH i never bothered to try my
workstation configuration file.
The nearly zero functional
Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Nicolas George wrote:
[fvwm2] it seems ill-loved by Debian maintainers:
the old fart user to get it to run As It Always Was (TM).
Google fvwm2rc finds the configuration of Eric S. Raymond,
color marked examples, starter examples, ...
After installation of fvwm2 there are
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015, Stephen Powell wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:38:19 -0400 (EDT), Patrick Bartek wrote:
I've never used GNOME 3. It won't fully run on any of my systems
since none don't have 3D capability. So, it goes into fallback
mode.
I assume you meant to say none have 3D
On 13/08/15 13:08, Wayne Hartell wrote:
I am currently a Debian Jessie XFCE user.
I want to have your views on Gnome VS XFCE.
I want to try Gnome but I want to know if Gnome is stable and works constantly
without freezing and crashing.
Please share me your experience with Debian Gnome.
With
On 14/08/2015, Seeker seeker5...@comcast.net wrote:
Sorry for sending a response off list, I usually I double check the To
field before hitting send, but that didn't
happen this time.
On 8/12/2015 9:09 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
Since you have mentioned an old system, I should perhaps mention
Sorry for sending a response off list, I usually I double check the To
field before hitting send, but that didn't
happen this time.
On 8/12/2015 9:09 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
Since you have mentioned an old system, I should perhaps mention
that apparently, Linux has abandoned support for Celeron
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 03:20:59 -0400 (EDT), didier gaumet wrote:
Gnome-flashback has replaced gnome-fallback: isn't it 2D compatible,
relying on Metacity instead of Mutter?
I don't know. All I know is that GNOME3 only worked for me in fallback mode,
and then one day, fallback mode disappeared
Le 13/08/2015 23:14, Bret Busby a écrit :
Hello.
Thank you.
Thank you for your previous clarifications.
Thank you for the solution above, which worked and solved the problem.
And, thank you for your patience with me.
Great! My pleasure :-)
On 8/13/2015 11:20 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
The matter had been dealt with as much as it could, so far, and
clarified a bit, without resolution, between my message to which you
responded, and your response, which you would have seen, if you had
read the rest of the thread past my message to which
Le 13/08/2015 13:58, Bret Busby a écrit :
Thank you.
That is how I managed to initially install the operating system.
then you should probably have a grub entry with PAE enabled (forced)
I have not tried, and, do not know how, to apply that fix as part of a
kernel upgrade, and thence, I
On 14/08/2015, didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 13/08/2015 13:58, Bret Busby a écrit :
Thank you.
That is how I managed to initially install the operating system.
then you should probably have a grub entry with PAE enabled (forced)
I have not tried, and, do not know how, to
On 8/13/2015 4:58 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
On 13/08/2015, didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 13/08/2015 12:13, Bret Busby a écrit :
i386 is 686, and not 586 ?
Yes, I think that 386 Ubuntu Linux images are build with 686 instruction
set compatibility. 386 meaning here
Hi,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
http://www.einval.com/~steve/debian/fvwm2rc.example
I won't follow you with the sound effects. :))
My favorite personal customization is giving the Windows keys
a decent job:
Key Super_L A N RaiseLower
Key Super_R A N RaiseLower
On a previous machine there was
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015, Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
Hello Debian users
I am currently a Debian Jessie XFCE user.
I want to have your views on Gnome VS XFCE.
I want to try Gnome but I want to know if Gnome is stable and works
constantly without freezing and crashing.
Please share me your
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:07:47 -0400 (EDT), Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
Hello Debian users ??
I am currently a Debian Jessie XFCE user.
I want to have your views on Gnome VS XFCE.
I want to try Gnome but I want to know if Gnome is stable and works
constantly without freezing and crashing.
On Thu 13 Aug 2015 at 00:07:47 +0400, Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
I am currently a Debian Jessie XFCE user.
Good to know.
I want to have your views on Gnome VS XFCE.
Views are two a penny.
I want to try Gnome but I want to know if Gnome is stable and works
constantly without freezing and
On Wed, August 12, 2015 4:29 pm, Stephen Powell wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:07:47 -0400 (EDT), Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
...
I switched to XFCE because it doesn't require 3D graphics acceleration,
and I've been happy with it. Furthermore, it is designed to run
applications written for the
I had to use xfce on my old T43 although Mate would be closer to Gnome.
Original Message
From: Bret Busby
Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2015 11:38
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian Gnome Or XFCE ?
On 13/08/2015, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:38:19 -0400 (EDT), Patrick Bartek wrote:
I've never used GNOME 3. It won't fully run on any of my systems since
none don't have 3D capability. So, it goes into fallback mode.
I assume you meant to say none have 3D capability.
When GNOME 3 first came out, it had a
On 13/08/2015, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:38:19 -0400 (EDT), Patrick Bartek wrote:
I've never used GNOME 3. It won't fully run on any of my systems since
none don't have 3D capability. So, it goes into fallback mode.
I assume you meant to say none
On 13/08/2015, Umarzuki Mochlis umarz...@gmail.com wrote:
I had to use xfce on my old T43 although Mate would be closer to Gnome.
Original Message
From: Bret Busby
Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2015 11:38
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian Gnome Or XFCE ?
On 13/08/2015
Hello Debian users
I am currently a Debian Jessie XFCE user.
I want to have your views on Gnome VS XFCE.
I want to try Gnome but I want to know if Gnome is stable and works
constantly without freezing and crashing.
Please share me your experience with Debian Gnome.
With Kind Regards,
Dwijesh
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