Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 25 May 2019, Kenneth Parker wrote: > As one who has been involved in "low level plumbing", since the 1970's > (including on IBM Mainframe Computers), I'm not afraid of Assembler > Language. I'm surprised, that I didn't know about Rust (package rustc). > Thanks for alerting me! Rust, the

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:35 PM Dekks Herton wrote: > Paul Sutton writes: > > > Hi > > > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > > languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an > > idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread 황병희
Hellow~ > I am guessing as the default command line interface is bash, then bash > and bash scripting would be useful to learn but on top of that what > would people suggest I try and promote. To me, Python is easy, useful, for example, my custom message-id[1] is from python3. Also Python is

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread songbird
James H. H. Lampert wrote: > Just out of morbid curiosity: what about a full ANSI PL/I? > > (And the mere fact that I'm asking ages me.) mu! (unasking makes you younger?! :) )A ancient languages i've used but not in quite a long time now. COBOL, SNOBOL, ALGOL, LISP of all of them i

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 07:43:05PM +0300, Ryan Dean wrote: > This is such an amazing topic which language is most widely used and which > most useful. Many CS people only want to focus, do not want waste time in > learning milllions of different languages, which will cause language > barriers. We

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread Ryan Dean
This is such an amazing topic which language is most widely used and which most useful. Many CS people only want to focus, do not want waste time in learning milllions of different languages, which will cause language barriers. We have limited amount of time and millions of other things in real

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread Paul Sutton
Hi All Just to say thank for the information.  I have made a short blog post on some of the languages mentioned and put links to what I would hope are useful related resources. http://zleap.net/debian-getting-started-3/ I am trying to write this so I can hopefully encourage those who are

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 08:47:26PM +0100, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 2019 20:28:04 +0200 > "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Glenn English wrote: > > > LISP was the first high level language I > > > learned. Thought I was going to die... > > > > Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 5/24/19 11:19 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: > On 5/24/19 10:03 PM, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: >> On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: >>> On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: > Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Dekks Herton
Paul Sutton writes: > Hi > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an > idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping. AFAIK Kernel + low level plumbing are primarily

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM ghe wrote: > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > > languages are mostly used? > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several > others. I don't recall

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 3:19 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: > I dislike python on the other hand... I did too, when I looked at it a few years ago. But Python3 looks reasonably civilized. And so the interpreter replaces 4 spaces with a semicolon. I think I can live with that... -- Glenn English

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Fri, 24 May 2019 19:45:23 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: (...) > (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there. > No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html > ) seems like Piet isn't really a Debian programming language. At least Debian seems to have some

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Christian Groessler
On 5/24/19 10:03 PM, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Joe wrote: > geda-gschem and related electronics tools rely on Guile. I have Guile > libraries 1.8, 2.0 and 2.2 installed, and they increase in size from > 2.6MB to 11.8MB to 45MB. So something must still be going on... It is still the official glue language of GNU. (To my luck its use does

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: > On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: >> On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: >>> Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is >>> there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to understand >>> other people's code.

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Joe
On Fri, 24 May 2019 16:08:44 +0100 Paul Sutton wrote: > > Not just on the coding side of things as we have markdown / html / css > perhaps LaTeX for documentation. > I've done practically all my coding for the last ten years in php. With a disparate collection of computing devices, web

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Joe
On Fri, 24 May 2019 20:28:04 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > Hi, > > Glenn English wrote: > > LISP was the first high level language I > > learned. Thought I was going to die... > > Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian package with Guile ? > https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ > > geda-gschem

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Glenn English wrote: > LISP was the first high level language I > learned. Thought I was going to die... Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian package with Guile ? https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=guile yields (after choosing a package)

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 5/24/19, 11:00 AM, ghe wrote: I forgot about LISP too. LISP was the first high level language I learned. Thought I was going to die... (CLUTTER CLUTTER (CDR CLUTTER)) is probably the only s-expression I still remember from over half a lifetime ago. (It's a line of code from the "Blocks

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Christian Groessler
On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to understand other people's code. Python, IMHO, seems to be creeping up to replace it. I'm

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 11:45 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > 1,122 lines of code in Buster. Oh. So that's what's wrong with Buster :-) > (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there. > No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html I forgot about LISP too. LISP was the first high level

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Tom Browder
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:43 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: ... > That's plain wrong: Debian has perl at its core, and Python not. > > Also, your simplification of Perl is common among folks ignorant about > Perl but is wrong as well: You _can_ write difficult-to-read code in > Perl by by no means do

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread James H. H. Lampert
Just out of morbid curiosity: what about a full ANSI PL/I? -- JHHL (And the mere fact that I'm asking ages me.)

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 11:21 AM, mick crane wrote: >> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > What goes on with Perl ? Can you say "Python"? Perl was great a while back, but it leaves something to be desired today. -- Glenn English

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 11:42 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > That's plain wrong: Debian has perl at its core, and Python not. Please note the word "creeping." Perl is used a lot -- it's a very powerful language, but its syntax and data structures are less than optimal. I've written a lot of Perl, but I've

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting mick crane (2019-05-24 19:21:33) > On 2019-05-24 17:14, ghe wrote: > > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > >> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > >> languages are mostly used? > > > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, ghe wrote: > I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-) 1,122 lines of code in Buster. See https://sources.debian.org/stats/#sloc_current (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there. No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html ) Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting ghe (2019-05-24 18:14:42) > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > > languages are mostly used? > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several > others. I don't recall seeing any

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Paul Sutton
On 24/05/2019 17:51, john doe wrote: > On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: >> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: >> >>> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming >>> languages are mostly used? >> C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread mick crane
On 2019-05-24 17:14, ghe wrote: On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming languages are mostly used? C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-)

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread john doe
On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > >> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming >> languages are mostly used? > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several > others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL,

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > languages are mostly used? C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-) > I am asking as it helps to

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Paul Sutton (2019-05-24 17:08:44) > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an > idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping. > > I am guessing as the default command

Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Paul Sutton
Hi As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping. I am guessing as the default command line interface is bash, then bash and bash scripting