Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-11-04 Thread lee
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes: man bends down and starts helping him look. After a while of futile searching the man says, hmmm, this isn't getting us anywhere; where did you lose it. The man replies, Further on up the road, but the light's better here. There's not

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-11-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 01:20:35PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/10/28 20:37 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz: On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 08:07:50PM +0100, lee wrote: The point is that I was right and you were wrong. It wasn't right of you to so strongly urge people to take

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-11-01 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/01/2014 at 10:22 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 01:20:35PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/10/28 20:37 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz: Now I know what the following joke means: There is a man on his hands and knees searching around him. A man comes

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-10-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 08:07:50PM +0100, lee wrote: The point is that I was right and you were wrong. It wasn't right of you to so strongly urge people to take issues upstream. It's not as easy to faciliate change as you seem to think. Now I know what the following joke means: There is a

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-10-28 Thread Joel Rees
2014/10/28 20:37 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz: On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 08:07:50PM +0100, lee wrote: The point is that I was right and you were wrong. It wasn't right of you to so strongly urge people to take issues upstream. It's not as easy to faciliate change as you

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-10-27 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Please do not Cc me personally. Hello Lee, Am Montag, 27. Oktober 2014, 00:05:03 schrieb lee: Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Maybe I failed at avoiding personal attacks, but I still think I didn´t. On any account, my attempt to bring this upstream did not produce the

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-10-27 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Please do not Cc me personally. Hello Lee, Am Montag, 27. Oktober 2014, 00:05:03 schrieb lee: Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Maybe I failed at avoiding personal attacks, but I still think I didn´t. On any account, my

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-10-26 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Maybe I failed at avoiding personal attacks, but I still think I didn´t. On any account, my attempt to bring this upstream did not produce the outcome I wanted to produce, so I stopped it. Well, remember what I told you? -- Again we must be

Debian and upstream choices

2014-10-22 Thread Martin Steigerwald
about GNOME upstream decisions as long as they don´t affect the KDE / Plasma I am running adversely. On any account: I see the different between upstream choices and Debian. I think Debian is not forced to using magic word as default. But… it would add considerable cost not doing so. Especially

Debian and upstream choices (was: Re: Keep using Debian without GNOME and SystemD)

2014-10-22 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 13:40:49 schrieb Jochen Spieker: Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: after spending two days trying unsuccesfuly to have a usable Jessie with one of the defaults DE and with no systemd utilities, i decided the following. In the companie's pc's i support, i'll