On 2014-12-05, Buntunub mckis...@gmail.com wrote:
And so it comes full circle. This is why there is a need for a Debian fork.
/I/ don't have to do any of those things. You don't either. The good folks
at Devuan will take care of all that for you.
Fine then go fork yourselves with a Devuan.
On 12/05/2014 04:44 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2014-12-05, Buntunub mckis...@gmail.com wrote:
And so it comes full circle. This is why there is a need for a Debian fork.
/I/ don't have to do any of those things. You don't either. The good folks
at Devuan will take care of all that for you.
Fine
[ Apologies to others for maybe prolonging this, but I can't let this
go uncorrected... ]
Thiago wrote:
Jessie isn't Debian.
So you say. Others have a different opinion.
Absolutely, it is just an opinion, I know.
Also, it seems to be Joey's opinion too: It's become abundantly clear
that
On 5 December 2014 at 11:45, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote:
[ Apologies to others for maybe prolonging this, but I can't let this
go uncorrected... ]
Me too...
Spout crap if you like (but please do it elsewhere), but don't put
words into Joey's mouth. As he later clarified in
On Friday 05 December 2014 16:19:08 Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
On 5 December 2014 at 11:45, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote:
[ Apologies to others for maybe prolonging this, but I can't let this
go uncorrected... ]
Me too...
Spout crap if you like (but please do it elsewhere), but
On 05/12/14 18:19, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Friday 05 December 2014 16:19:08 Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
On 5 December 2014 at 11:45, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote:
[ Apologies to others for maybe prolonging this, but I can't let this
go uncorrected... ]
Me too...
Spout crap if you like
Hallo,
* Erwan David [Wed, Dec 03 2014, 04:13:14PM]:
As explained several times on this ML, depending against libsystemd0
package doesn't mean anything about requiring systemd to be used as
PID1 or not. Even Ian's GR was not taking the I don't want any systemd
package on my machine use
On 12/03/2014 07:13 AM, Erwan David wrote:
As explained several times on this ML, depending against libsystemd0
package doesn't mean anything about requiring systemd to be used as
PID1 or not. Even Ian's GR was not taking the I don't want any systemd
package on my machine use case into account
Jessie isn't Debian.
So you say. Others have a different opinion.
Absolutely, it is just an opinion, I know.
Also, it seems to be Joey's opinion too: It's become abundantly clear
that this is no longer the project I
originally joined in 1996.
there is a need for a Debian fork.
/I/ don't have to do any of those things. You don't either. The good folks
at Devuan will take care of all that for you.
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Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 08:35:00 schrieb Erwan David:
Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700
Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a waste. They shouldn't
Le Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:18:36 +0100,
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de a écrit :
Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 08:35:00 schrieb Erwan David:
Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13
Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 12:39:26 schrieb Laurent Bigonville:
Le Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:18:36 +0100,
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de a écrit :
Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 08:35:00 schrieb Erwan David:
Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
Am Dienstag, 2.
As explained several times on this ML, depending against libsystemd0
package doesn't mean anything about requiring systemd to be used as
PID1 or not. Even Ian's GR was not taking the I don't want any systemd
package on my machine use case into account you know.
Why focus on PID1 ? As I
On 2 December 2014 at 19:22, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Märk Owen wrote:
It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me
this way.
# apt-get
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:37:02 -0200
Martinx - ジェームズ thiagocmarti...@gmail.com wrote:
Sooner or later, there will be no more `sysvinit-core`, `upstart` or
whatever, because `systemd` guys engulfed `udev` and they are change
it to make sure it will only work with systemd = PID1, this sucks,
Very
On 12/03/2014 08:37 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
Jessie isn't Debian.
Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel
joining Devuan... lol
I've no problem with systemd (Sid), it works fine). I dont understand
why some people complain about systemd.
Devuan is not Mint or
On 03/12/14 19:37, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
Debian/Devuan WILL NEED an `udev` alternative to keep `sysinit-core` working.
Perhaps. On the other hand, they might only need an alternative
implementation of the user-space glue that makes kdbus work.
Devuan will need something like `eudev` to
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 21:50:05 +0100
maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/03/2014 08:37 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
Jessie isn't Debian.
Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel
joining Devuan... lol
I've no problem with systemd (Sid), it works fine). I
Hi Madeiros!
I'm also using `systemd`, I'm working to use Enlightenment with
Wayland (to kick Xorg off) and, it depends on `systemd`.
I just don't think that it is wise to put all of our eggs into the same basket.
This `systemd` being pushed everywhere looks like a huge monoculture,
which is
On 3 December 2014 at 19:18, Märk Owen markowen2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 21:50:05 +0100
maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/03/2014 08:37 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
Jessie isn't Debian.
Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel
joining
On 03/12/14 21:52, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
I'm using `GRSecurity` with Debian in prod and it doesn't work with `systemd`.
I NEED `sysvinit-core` (or upstart) and there is no plans to deploy
`systemd` at my company's public data center. Since it [systemd]
doesn't work here.
If `systemd` gets
On 3 December 2014 at 21:19, Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote:
On 03/12/14 21:52, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
I'm using `GRSecurity` with Debian in prod and it doesn't work with
`systemd`.
I NEED `sysvinit-core` (or upstart) and there is no plans to deploy
`systemd` at my company's public
On 12/03/2014 04:18 PM, Märk Owen wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 21:50:05 +0100
maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/03/2014 08:37 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
Jessie isn't Debian.
Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel
joining Devuan... lol
I've no problem with
Hi guys
Not for me but interesting.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTg1MDQ
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On 12/02/2014 04:47 AM, maderios wrote:
Hi guys
Not for me but interesting.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTg1MDQ
# More about the vision
This is just a start, as bold as it sounds to call it fork, at a
process that will unfold in time and involve more people, first to
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:47:19 +0100
maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys
Not for me but interesting.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTg1MDQ
It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
systemd as I'm
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Märk Owen wrote:
It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me
this way.
# apt-get install upstart
# apt-get install sysvinit-core
# apt-get install openrc
No
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700
Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me
this way.
# apt-get install upstart
# apt-get install sysvinit-core
Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700
Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me
this
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 06:47:38PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
Another way to look at it is forward planning for the release after Jessie,
when systemd may well become compulsory...
Most would call that FUD.
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Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700
Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
systemd as I'm only an end user
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