On Jo, 20 sep 12, 17:23:50, lee wrote:
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
I have however seen LCD monitors behave significantly different
depending on refresh rate. Entire areas were blury, but everything was
fine when I switched to another refresh rate (60Hz - 75Hz if I
I have used the standard settings from the screen grab, then I saved
them them using shutter as png (so, I don't really know if the magnifier
has compressed them before hand).
Another thing is that I have currently wiped of the Debian partition
that caused me the troubles reported in this
On 10/2/12, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
On 9/30/2012 7:32 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
(Mark, did you set the screen grab to give you raw images or compressed?)
'Twasn't me. I had a minor disagreement with another user over the
topic of refresh
while trying to make a suggestion, but it
On 9/30/2012 7:32 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
(Mark, did you set the screen grab to give you raw images or compressed?)
'Twasn't me. I had a minor disagreement with another user over the
topic of refresh
while trying to make a suggestion, but it wasn't my problem. I wasn't
the OP.
Mark
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Top posting because I don't want anyone to feel attacked. We are all
users here.
Hmm.
Look, even the engineers have to operate from incomplete models. No
one in this world knows everything. And that's true of the tech we
use, including computers. Shoot, even back in the days when some of us
Lionel Trésaugues lionel.tresaug...@gmail.com writes:
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t405/Alkalyzer/Ubuntu_Terminal_zps83103ab7.png
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t405/Alkalyzer/Debian_Terminal_zps1867e859.png
Now I see what you mean, things look better in Ubuntu. There doesn't
seem
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 02:53:19 AM lee wrote:
Lionel Trésaugues lionel.tresaug...@gmail.com writes:
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t405/Alkalyzer/Ubuntu_Terminal_zps831
03ab7.png
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t405/Alkalyzer/Debian_Terminal_zps18
67e859.png
Now I see
On 09/26/2012 11:12 AM, Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
All right.
Some users have asked me to upload some screenshots. So, here they are !
The ones I obtained using Ubuntu got Ubuntu in their filenames and
the ones from Debian, Debian in their filenames.
I tried to take screenshots as similar as
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
I have however seen LCD monitors behave significantly different
depending on refresh rate. Entire areas were blury, but everything was
fine when I switched to another refresh rate (60Hz - 75Hz if I remember
correctly).
How did you do that?
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 16:37 -0400, Neal Murphy wrote:
Come now. It just isn't a proper internet discussion without a
flamewar thrown in. :)
:D But an OT t the subject for the flame would be nice.
- if a CRT, can you (or anyone with very good ears) hear a very high
pitched whine, nearly in
Lionel Trésaugues lionel.tresaug...@gmail.com writes:
First, thanks all of you to try to solve the issue I encounter with Debian.
I will come back now to some of the points you mentioned in the discussion.
How important is it to you to be able to run Debian? Would it be
worth some
On Ma, 18 sep 12, 23:31:21, Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
Hello,
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my
computer running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions
(such as Mint LMDE, XFCE or MATE edition). Switching from XFCE to MATE
doesn't lead to any
On 9/19/
LCDs do not flicker.
I *explicitly* did not say flicker. I do not mean flicker. Flicker is
perceptible to the viewer.
Minitors *do* refresh. They do not all refresh at the same rate. The OP is
complaining of eye-strain and headaches. These are real, and quite
reasonably he
On 9/19/2012 6:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 00:03 +0100, Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 23:38:48 Mark Allums wrote:
On 9/19/2012 5:33 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 22:40:30 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
Yes. Me neither. The only parameter I
On Thursday 20 September 2012 13:18:58 Mark Allums wrote:
On 9/19/
LCDs do not flicker.
I *explicitly* did not say flicker. I do not mean flicker. Flicker is
perceptible to the viewer.
Minitors *do* refresh. They do not all refresh at the same rate. The OP
is complaining of
On Jo, 20 sep 12, 07:18:58, Mark Allums wrote:
LCD do not refresh in the same sense as CRTs. They project a
continuous picture. If a pixel doesn't change, it stays lit. No
fading. OPs problem is not due to refresh, unless it is a CRT.
His problem is probably due to environmental
On 9/20/2012 8:59 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Jo, 20 sep 12, 07:18:58, Mark Allums wrote:
LCD do not refresh in the same sense as CRTs. They project a
continuous picture. If a pixel doesn't change, it stays lit. No
fading. OPs problem is not due to refresh, unless it is a CRT.
His problem
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:40:30 +0200, Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
First, thanks all of you to try to solve the issue I encounter with
Debian.
I will come back now to some of the points you mentioned in the
discussion.
(for the next time consider individual replies instead putting all the
bunch
On Thursday 20 September 2012 15:37:54 Mark Allums wrote:
Never had that experience or heard of it or dreamt of it.
You obviously feel that your experience is more valid than anyone else's when
it comes to monitors. But you appear to know nothing at all about
eye/eyesight/eyestrain problems
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 22:31:21 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my
computer running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions
(such as Mint LMDE, XFCE or MATE edition). Switching from XFCE to MATE
doesn't lead to any
On Jo, 20 sep 12, 09:37:54, Mark Allums wrote:
I have however seen LCD monitors behave significantly different
depending on refresh rate. Entire areas were blury, but everything was
fine when I switched to another refresh rate (60Hz - 75Hz if I remember
correctly).
I have never owned an
Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
Debian and Ubuntu deal with fonts existed. But the unpleasant
feeling is present (even if not so intense), just by looking at the
background of an empty desktop. It seems that the light is too
intense, too violent (even when I reduce the brightness) and that my
eyes
- Original Message from Lionel Trésaugues -
Lowering the brightness helps a little bit to make the pain more bearable,
but it is still unpleasant and hurtful after a while.
Another thing you may want to try is to connect your monitor through the VGA
connector instead of DVI, if you
On 9/20/2012 9:51 AM, Lisi wrote:
On Thursday 20 September 2012 15:37:54 Mark Allums wrote:
Never had that experience or heard of it or dreamt of it.
You obviously feel that your experience is more valid than anyone else's when
it comes to monitors. But you appear to know nothing at all
On 9/20/2012 10:16 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Jo, 20 sep 12, 09:37:54, Mark Allums wrote:
I have however seen LCD monitors behave significantly different
depending on refresh rate. Entire areas were blury, but everything was
fine when I switched to another refresh rate (60Hz - 75Hz if I
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, Mark Allums wrote:
Very few LCD monitors have a refresh setting other than 60Hz. So
few, in fact, that I have never seen one of them. I am sure that it
Usually the native resolution is at 60Hz, but not always. And if you are
running at a lower resolution than native,
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, Lisi wrote:
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 22:31:21 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my
computer running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions
(such as Mint LMDE, XFCE or MATE edition). Switching from XFCE
On Thursday 20 September 2012 18:20:49 Mark Allums wrote:
On Thursday 20 September 2012 15:37:54 Mark Allums wrote:
Never had that experience or heard of it or dreamt of it.
You obviously feel that your experience is more valid than anyone else's
when it comes to monitors. But you
On 9/20/2012 2:36 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Thursday 20 September 2012 18:20:49 Mark Allums wrote:
On Thursday 20 September 2012 15:37:54 Mark Allums wrote:
Never had that experience or heard of it or dreamt of it.
You obviously feel that your experience is more valid than anyone else's
when it
Another thing you may want to try is to connect your monitor through the VGA
connector instead of DVI, if you have the right cable.
Not sure if that would help, just curious if that would make any difference.
My computer is connected to the Samsung SyncMaster through a VGA
connector.
LCDs work by blocking the white light from the backlight. If the pannel is
leaking UV, the leak should be worse on bright images (probably those with
brighter red and blue channel values).
But it really should not be leaking any relevant amount of UV in the first
place.
Very interesting. But it
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 03:55:48 PM Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
And the sub-pixel order is equal too?
The sub-pixel order is set to rgb (like I do in Ubuntu). I can
definitely see a (worse) change if I use a different mode.
Disabling the sub-pixel smoothing didn't improve anything
On Thursday 20 September 2012 20:50:40 Mark Allums wrote:
You were obsessed with the refresh rate.
This is absurd. I mentioned it twice, amid a lot of other things. It is you
who are obsessed.
If you want to continue this absurd attack on me, may I suggest that you go
off list.
Lisi
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On 9/20/2012 3:37 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Thursday 20 September 2012 20:50:40 Mark Allums wrote:
You were obsessed with the refresh rate.
This is absurd. I mentioned it twice, amid a lot of other things. It is you
who are obsessed.
If you want to continue this absurd attack on me, may I suggest
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 16:01 +0100, Lisi wrote:
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 22:31:21 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my
computer running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions
(such as Mint LMDE, XFCE or MATE edition).
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 11:30 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Inaudible or barely audible noise from either the computer or the
monitor, possibly created by specific clocks cycles of a particular
software load. (TV sets do this to me all the time.)
Try turning the monitor off and staying in front
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 08:42 -0700, T Elcor wrote:
- Original Message from Lionel Trésaugues -
Lowering the brightness helps a little bit to make the pain more bearable,
but it is still unpleasant and hurtful after a while.
Another thing you may want to try is to connect your
I don't remember, you still have Ubuntu installed too?
If not, it might be possible that the LCD display gets broken in the
meantime, so even degassing of broken semiconductor could be possible or
emission of ozone and of course the picture could be less good too.
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On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 20:01 -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:13:40PM +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
A minimum refresh rate of 72Hz is recommended (same as average human
heart rate) to
minimize optical discomfort that you seem to be suffering. Less than
that the screen will
- Original Message -
From: Lionel Trésaugues lionel.tresaug...@gmail.com
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my
computer running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions
(such as Mint LMDE, XFCE or MATE edition). Switching from XFCE to MATE
doesn't
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 06:47 -0700, T Elcor wrote:
For CRT monitors, anything below 75Hz refresh rate results in visible
flickering
It becomes usable at 75Hz, it becomes comfortable at = 80Hz. If you
move your head or the monitor is in the corner of the eye, 75Hz still
could noticeable flicker.
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:31:21 +0200, Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my computer
running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions (such as
Mint LMDE, XFCE or MATE edition). Switching from XFCE to MATE doesn't
lead to any
First, thanks all of you to try to solve the issue I encounter with Debian.
I will come back now to some of the points you mentioned in the discussion.
How important is it to you to be able to run Debian? Would it be
worth some spectacles, or some new ones if you already wear them?
(This
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 23:40 +0200, Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
The fonts (with the same hinting and antialiasing settings)
And the sub-pixel order is equal too?
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Just a wild stab in the Dark here, could it be interlaced?
Shane
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote:
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 23:40 +0200, Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
The fonts (with the same hinting and antialiasing settings)
And the sub-pixel order is
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 22:40:30 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
Yes. Me neither. The only parameter I couldn't check (due to my lack of
knowledge) is the horizontal refresh rate. Any idea how I can get this
value ?
I still feel that a very minor difference in the refresh rates might be at the
On 9/19/2012 5:33 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 22:40:30 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
Yes. Me neither. The only parameter I couldn't check (due to my lack of
knowledge) is the horizontal refresh rate. Any idea how I can get this
value ?
I still feel that a very minor difference
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 23:38:48 Mark Allums wrote:
On 9/19/2012 5:33 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 22:40:30 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
Yes. Me neither. The only parameter I couldn't check (due to my lack of
knowledge) is the horizontal refresh rate. Any idea how I can
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 00:03 +0100, Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 23:38:48 Mark Allums wrote:
On 9/19/2012 5:33 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 22:40:30 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
Yes. Me neither. The only parameter I couldn't check (due to my lack of
Hello,
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my
computer running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions
(such as Mint LMDE, XFCE or MATE edition). Switching from XFCE to MATE
doesn't lead to any improvements .
My eyes start to suffer and soon, I can feel that
Hi, Lionel,
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 22:31:21 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my
computer running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions
(such as Mint LMDE, XFCE or MATE edition). Switching from XFCE to MATE
doesn't lead
On 18/09/2012 22:52, Lisi wrote:
Hi, Lionel,
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 22:31:21 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my
computer running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions
(such as Mint LMDE, XFCE or MATE edition). Switching
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:13:40PM +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
A minimum refresh rate of 72Hz is recommended (same as average human
heart rate) to
minimize optical discomfort that you seem to be suffering. Less than
that the screen will
often jump about and make it difficult to see properly.
On 9/18/2012 8:01 PM, Rob Owens wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:13:40PM +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
A minimum refresh rate of 72Hz is recommended (same as average human
heart rate) to
minimize optical discomfort that you seem to be suffering. Less than
that the screen will
often jump about and
Lionel Trésaugues lionel.tresaug...@gmail.com writes:
My eyes start to suffer and soon, I can feel that an headache is coming.
I don't have this feeling at all when I am running either Ubuntu or
any Ubuntu-based distribution (Mint XFCE or Cinnamon edition).
I tried to adjust the fonts using
On 9/18/2012 5:13 PM, Martin Smith wrote:
On 18/09/2012 22:52, Lisi wrote:
Hi, Lionel,
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 22:31:21 Lionel Trésaugues wrote:
I am experiencing a physical pain whenever I am in front of my
computer running either Debian (Wheezy) or Debian-based distributions
(such as
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