On 05/22/2014 09:14 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 00:17:06 +1200
Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
And in the case where the copyright has elapsed? The main point,
rather than my additional comment?
Richard
Few of us will be alive when Jerry's works go out of
On Tue, 20 May 2014 00:17:06 +1200
Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
And in the case where the copyright has elapsed? The main point,
rather than my additional comment?
Richard
Few of us will be alive when Jerry's works go out of copyright, given
that even if he died this very
Calm down folks :)!
A lot of us are subscribed to both lists, so there wouldn't be less
traffic for us, OTOH its easy to use the OT list when already
subscribed, since seemingly some are annoyed by the long threads about
digital politics.
Consider to continue at
On Ter, 20 Mai 2014, David Guntner wrote:
PLEASE, for the love of $DEITY and to have some compassion for the
people who are on this list because they want to discuss and read things
pertaining to the Debian OS without drowning in so much off-topic noise
that the list is becoming rendered
On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 12:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Consider to continue at
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
just to do those a favour, who guess those threads don't belong to
Debian user, regardless of whether they're right or wrong.
Respect to Zenaan.
On 2014-05-21, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
Elis Regina Tom Jobim- Waters of March (Portuguese version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oNSFQVzNMlist=RDg3oNSFQVzNM#t=31
Tom Jobim - The Girl from Ipanema (Portuguese version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJzBxJ8ExRk
On 5/21/2014 1:37 AM, Bob Holtzman wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 08:12:36PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:
..large snip.
I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly
capable of kill-filing those
On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 5/17/14, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
...
Don't forget, that justice is not when all criminals are imprisoned
and/or punished, but when no one blameless is persecuted.
Very eloquent and beautiful words.
On 5/20/14, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 5/17/14, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
...
Don't forget, that justice is not when all criminals are imprisoned
and/or punished, but when no one blameless is
On 5/20/14, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 5/20/14, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 5/17/14, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
...
Don't forget, that justice is not when all criminals are imprisoned
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Du, 18 mai 14, 23:06:57, Gary Dale wrote:
DRM is a fence. My right to use things that I pay for is restricted by
DRM.
Get a refund.
Ah, but the license says, NO REFUNDS!
--
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Be careful where you
On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:47:57 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 5/20/14, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 5/17/14, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
...
Don't forget, that justice is not when
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 5/19/2014 8:17 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 20/05/14 00:14, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 7:58 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
[...]
Actually I had a similar problem many years ago - I was working with a
perfectly
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On 05/20/2014 09:07 AM, Celejar wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:47:57 +1000 Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net
wrote:
On 5/20/14, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
But this is precisely the problem with some of the dogmatic
idealists here - by
On 20/05/14 09:07 AM, Celejar wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:47:57 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 5/20/14, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 5/17/14, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
...
Don't
On Tue, 2014-05-20 at 21:57 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Du, 18 mai 14, 23:06:57, Gary Dale wrote:
DRM is a fence. My right to use things that I pay for is restricted by
DRM.
Get a refund.
Ah, but the
On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:15:39 -0400
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
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On 05/20/2014 09:07 AM, Celejar wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:47:57 +1000 Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net
wrote:
On 5/20/14, Celejar cele...@gmail.com
On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:29:57 -0400
Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
On 20/05/14 09:07 AM, Celejar wrote:
...
Of course. But while it's certainly not a zero-sum game, there's
generally going to be a trade-off: increasing protections for
defendants will save some innocents, at the
On 5/20/2014 9:09 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 5/19/2014 8:17 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 20/05/14 00:14, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 7:58 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
[...]
Actually I had a similar problem many
On 05/20/2014 09:45 AM, Celejar wrote:
I'd like to ask that question of every politician, and every police
officer, and so forth. I think it could be quite illuminating.
Celejar
Excellent topic! It needs to be on the OT list where it can get the
debate it deserves. :) Ric
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Celejar grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
[blah blah blah off topic blah blah blah]
People, this off-topic thread has dragged on WAY too long. There's a
Debian off-topic mailing list, which exists specifically for that
purpose - to let Debian users discuss things that aren't directly
related to
Zenaan Harkness grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
[blah blah blah off topic blah blah blah]
People, this off-topic thread has dragged on WAY too long. There's a
Debian off-topic mailing list, which exists specifically for that
purpose - to let Debian users discuss things that aren't directly
related
The Wanderer grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
[blah blah blah off topic blah blah blah]
People, this off-topic thread has dragged on WAY too long. There's a
Debian off-topic mailing list, which exists specifically for that
purpose - to let Debian users discuss things that aren't directly
related to
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Why would you be against someone protecting their intellectual
property?
I'm not, personally. I am, however very much against continued waste of
bandwidth on this increasingly off-topic thread. Please take further
discussion to the off-topic list,
On 5/20/2014 4:21 PM, David Guntner wrote:
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Why would you be against someone protecting their intellectual
property?
I'm not, personally. I am, however very much against continued waste of
bandwidth on this increasingly off-topic thread. Please
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
On 5/20/2014 4:21 PM, David Guntner wrote:
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Why would you be against someone protecting their intellectual
property?
I'm not, personally. I am, however very much against continued waste of
bandwidth on
On 5/20/2014 4:26 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/20/2014 4:21 PM, David Guntner wrote:
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Why would you be against someone protecting their intellectual
property?
I'm not, personally. I am, however very much against continued waste of
bandwidth on
David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop. As you've
been told before - just ignore the thread. And if you can't do that,
get a email reader that will.
No. Just because you and a small
On Tue, 20 May 2014 15:03:35 -0400
Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/20/2014 09:45 AM, Celejar wrote:
I'd like to ask that question of every politician, and every police
officer, and so forth. I think it could be quite illuminating.
Celejar
Excellent topic! It needs to be
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 03:15:44PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
DRM sucks!
+10E
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Chris Bannister
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 03:15:44PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
DRM sucks!
+10E
Okay, now I have to chime in. Not only is this off topic (which I
can't complain about, having been guilty of the same), but
On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:
David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop. As you've
been told before - just ignore the thread. And if you can't do that,
get a email reader that
On 05/20/2014 08:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:
David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop. As you've
been told before - just ignore the thread. And
Top posting here, as everything below is WAY OT. Sorry, Jerry, as old
a hand as you may be, you're wrong. Take this conversation
elsewhere, and stop embarrassing yourself and polluting this otherwise
useful list.
Cheers
Patrick
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle
For future please use o-t list hinters, please CC the ot list, even
if you're not subscribed, or perhaps only send to o-t list AND to the
'perpetrator'.
On 5/21/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:
Ok, that last bit was a bit insulting, and
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 08:12:36PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:
..large snip.
I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly
capable of kill-filing those topics. If all I was concerned about was
just me,
On 5/19/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
Are you aware that there is a useful (from the perspective of
freedoms) distinction to be made between physical property and
so-called 'intellectual property'?
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 16:17 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
. . .
It involves skull sweat.
Now there's a new term - I usually find my skin sweats, although to be
honest I'm really not sure about my skull, since it's hidden from my
immediate view.
Just FYI, Robert Heinlein used skull sweat
C... can't ... resist
On 5/19/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
A lot of people responding to this post don't seem to understand that
freedom applies to more than just personal choice. The United States
On 19/05/14 15:06, Gary Dale wrote:
The Internet is public property in the same way the roads that connect
us are. DRM is a fence. My right to use things that I pay for is
restricted by DRM.
DRM is not part of the Internet any more than the lock on my car door is
part of the road.
(Doesn't
On 19/05/14 16:20, Carl Fink wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:50:44PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 5/19/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote:
But, contrary to Stallman's arguments, intellectual property is real and
worth protecting.
RMS never said intellectual creations are
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
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On 05/18/2014 05:49 PM, Tom H wrote:
You seem to have an issue with
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 19/05/14 16:20, Carl Fink wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:50:44PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 5/19/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote:
But, contrary to Stallman's arguments, intellectual property is real
and
worth
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
If the copyright on something restricted by DRM were to expire, and
On 19/05/14 04:00, Lee Winter wrote:
Anyone who proposes to restrict my ability to choose, for or against,
DRM-restricted property is making a proposition that I will _always_
res/ist./ After all, it is about freedom. Mine.
I haven't seen any arguments in this thread threatening that.
On 19/05/14 20:43, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
A more relevant request: how about an example of a digital (or any)
recording that was released _with_DRM_ for which the copyright has now
lapsed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_mouse_law
Isn't that the reverse? Mickey Mouse, when first
On 19/05/14 17:42, Lee Winter wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net
mailto:z...@freedbms.net wrote:
Are you aware that there is a useful (from the perspective of
freedoms) distinction to be made between physical property and
so-called
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
I wouldn't call real estate a form of intellectual property; it's very
physical. Real, even. On the other hand, I would still treat it
differently from ordinary property, on the basis that it will continue
to exist
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 19/05/14 20:43, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
A more relevant request: how about an example of a digital (or any)
recording that was released _with_DRM_ for which the copyright has now
lapsed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_mouse_law
On 19/05/14 22:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
I wouldn't call real estate a form of intellectual property; it's very
physical. Real, even. On the other hand, I would still treat it
differently from ordinary property, on
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 19/05/14 22:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz
wrote:
I wouldn't call real estate a form of intellectual property; it's very
physical. Real, even. On
On 5/19/2014 4:31 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
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On 5/19/2014 4:43 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
If the copyright on
On 5/19/2014 6:08 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 19/05/14 20:43, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
A more relevant request: how about an example of a digital (or any)
recording that was released _with_DRM_ for which the copyright has now
lapsed?
Le 19/05/2014 13:20, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 5/19/2014 6:08 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 19/05/14 20:43, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
A more relevant request: how about an example of a digital (or any)
recording that was released
On 19/05/14 23:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 6:08 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 19/05/14 20:43, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
A more relevant request: how about an example of a digital (or any)
recording that was released _with_DRM_ for
On 5/19/2014 7:39 AM, Erwan David wrote:
Le 19/05/2014 13:20, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 5/19/2014 6:08 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 19/05/14 20:43, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
A more relevant request: how about an example of a digital (or
On 19/05/14 23:50, Richard Hector wrote:
Jerry - I was attempting to improve on the question Paul asked you.
Apologies - I hadn't read all the new messages; I see you responded to me.
Richard
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On 19/05/14 23:19, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 4:31 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
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On 19/05/14 23:19, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 4:31 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer
On 20/05/14 00:14, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 7:58 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 19/05/14 23:19, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 4:31 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 8:17 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 20/05/14 00:14, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 7:58 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 19/05/14 23:19, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 4:31 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon
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On 05/19/2014 01:42 AM, Lee Winter wrote:
I said above that intellectual property is the most pure form of
property. That statement is based on the fact that intellectual
property is nothing _but_ human labor. Just not physical labor.
There is
On 20/05/14 00:30, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 8:17 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 20/05/14 00:14, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 7:58 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 19/05/14 23:19, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 4:31 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On Du, 18 mai 14, 23:06:57, Gary Dale wrote:
DRM is a fence. My right to use things that I pay for is restricted by
DRM.
Get a refund.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
In fact, in the United States, to copyright something you have to provide a
copy of the material to the Copyright Office. So there is always at least
one copy of something available.
Are you sure of that? I thought
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On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle
jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
In fact, in the United States, to copyright something you have to
provide a copy of the material to the Copyright
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
On 05/19/2014 09:18 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle
jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
In fact, in the United States, to copyright something you have to
provide a copy of the
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On 20/05/14 01:26, The Wanderer wrote:
If a copy were indeed required to be registered with the Copyright
Office, that would sharply reduce or potentially eliminate the no
non-DRMed copy available to enter the public domain objection to
DRM.
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On 05/19/2014 09:44 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 20/05/14 01:26, The Wanderer wrote:
If a copy were indeed required to be registered with the Copyright
Office, that would sharply reduce or potentially eliminate the no
non-DRMed copy available
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:52 PM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
I was just thinking of a slightly more limited approach: decide that if
the work is covered by DRM, then unless a non-DRMed copy is on file with
the central archive, anti-circumvention law does not apply.
In other
After just reading a few mails of this topic, I want to mention, that
there's a difference between copyright and right of publication.
Don't mix copyright and related rights.
In Germany copyright is named Urheberrecht, translated word by word
it's creator-right. In Germany we know the
On 5/19/2014 9:18 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
In fact, in the United States, to copyright something you have to provide a
copy of the material to the Copyright Office. So there is always at least
one copy of something
On 5/19/2014 10:16 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
After just reading a few mails of this topic, I want to mention, that
there's a difference between copyright and right of publication.
Don't mix copyright and related rights.
In Germany copyright is named Urheberrecht, translated word by word
it's
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 11:28 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
This is why most songs, commercial computer programs, etc. are
registered.
Many musicians are member of collecting societies. The celebrity
musicians benefit from the mafia-like approach of those collecting
societies. The unknown musicians
People, this off-topic thread has dragged on WAY too long. There's a
Debian off-topic mailing list, which exists specifically for that
purpose - to let Debian users discuss things that aren't directly
related to Debian.
PLEASE, for the love of $DEITY and to have some compassion for the
people
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 11:32 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
RIAA
and collecting society mafias,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_copyright_collection_societies#United_States
comparable to the German GEMA mafia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_copyright_collection_societies#Germany
are
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:52 PM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
I was just thinking of a slightly more limited approach: decide that if
the work is covered by DRM, then unless a non-DRMed copy is on file with
the central archive, anti-circumvention law does not
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nzwrote:
On 19/05/14 17:42, Lee Winter wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net
mailto:z...@freedbms.net wrote:
Are you aware that there is a useful (from the perspective of
On 5/19/2014 11:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 11:28 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
This is why most songs, commercial computer programs, etc. are
registered.
Many musicians are member of collecting societies. The celebrity
musicians benefit from the mafia-like approach of
On 5/19/2014 12:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 11:32 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
RIAA
and collecting society mafias,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_copyright_collection_societies#United_States
comparable to the German GEMA mafia
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 12:49 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 12:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 11:32 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
RIAA
and collecting society mafias,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_copyright_collection_societies#United_States
comparable
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 19:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 12:49 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/19/2014 12:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 11:32 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
RIAA
and collecting society mafias,
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
On 18/05/14 06:40 PM, Tom H wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
So I am free to build a fence on public property that denies my neighbour
the right to access his house? That seems
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:33:48PM +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
England (or Great Britain - I'm not sure which) in the late 1800s. One
of my other interests, Gilbert and Sullivan, is notably impacted by
that, as the license copy of a play wasn't necessarily identical to
what ended up being
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 01:39:35PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
2) When lawmakers are paid to orient what they do this is usually called
corruption.
Unfortunately, what is corruption in one country is just common
business practice in another.
--
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have
On 5/20/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Richard Hector
rich...@walnut.gen.nzwrote:
On 19/05/14 17:42, Lee Winter wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net
mailto:z...@freedbms.net wrote:
Are you aware
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:54:52AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 5/18/14, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/17/2014 07:55 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Nobody forces you to install the add-on, certainly not Mozilla or
Debian.
And that is the part I don't get. Anyone is free to
On 15/05/14 04:43 PM, Ralph Katz wrote:
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Free Software Foundation statement may clear some confusion expressed on
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https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-condemns-partnership-between-mozilla-and-adobe-to-support-digital-restrictions-management
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
Just as no one forced Americans to own slaves, the fact that slavery was
allowed was an insult to notion of freedom. Arguing that the freedom to
choose whether to own slaves or not made Americans freer would be called
Ahoj,
Dňa Mon, 19 May 2014 00:46:57 +1000 Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com
napísal:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net
wrote:
Just as no one forced Americans to own slaves, the fact that
slavery was allowed was an insult to notion of freedom. Arguing
that the
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 17 May 2014 21:00:48 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
napísal:
What Mozilla is doing is providing a framework for keeping the
companies that want into your computer out, by providing them tools to
get only what the law allows them and no more.
I am not lawyer, then i will
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
The Samba doesn't allow to use of proprietary software. Samba only uses
the SMB protocol (i can be wrong, but it is standardized), which Windows
uses (as primary) too. But you can connect two Samba between themselves,
then no
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Dňa Sat, 17 May 2014 21:00:48 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
napísal:
What Mozilla is doing is providing a framework for keeping the
companies that want into your computer out, by providing them tools to
get only what the
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
A lot of people responding to this post don't seem to understand that
freedom applies to more than just personal choice. The United States was
not a free nation while it accepted slavery and Firefox is not free
software
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 17 May 2014 21:00:48 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
napísal:
What Mozilla is doing is providing a framework for keeping the
companies that want into your computer out, by providing them tools to
get
On 18/05/14 12:00 PM, Lee Winter wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net
mailto:garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
A lot of people responding to this post don't seem to understand
that freedom applies to more than just personal choice. The United
States was
On 18/05/14 11:26 AM, Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 17 May 2014 21:00:48 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
napísal:
What Mozilla is doing is providing a framework for keeping the
companies that want into your computer out, by providing them tools to
get only what the law allows them and no
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
So freedom from doesn't include freedom from DRM?
Of course you are free from DRM. Just don't buy/install content that is
restricted by DRM.
Unfortunately the DMCA and its international clones prohibit me from
On 18/05/14 01:49 PM, Lee Winter wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net
mailto:garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
So freedom from doesn't include freedom from DRM?
Of course you are free from DRM. Just don't buy/install content that
is restricted by DRM.
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