Re: General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread l0f4r0
Hi again, 27 août 2023, 18:46 de l0f...@tuta.io: >>> ClamAV scan files but data scanned: 0.00 MB, why? I have Debian stable and >>> use last version of clamav (1.0.1+dfsg-2) >>> , which is located in debian stable repository. >>> I don't think your file has been scanned actually... Can you

Re: General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread l0f4r0
Hello Takota, >> ClamAV scan files but data scanned: 0.00 MB, why? I have Debian stable and >> use last version of clamav (1.0.1+dfsg-2) >> , which is located in debian stable repository. >> Maybe someone on this list will be able to help you, otherwise I recommend you write to ClamAV dedicated

Re: General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:01:22 +0600 Tatoka wrote: Hello Tatoka, >1. Is Subscribing to mailing list free? Yes. All that's needed is a valid email address to sign up with. >2. I have problem with ClamAv: Sorry, can't help with that as I have no experience with ClamAV. -- Regards _

Re: General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread tomas
On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 05:01:22PM +0600, Tatoka wrote: > Hello, dear users community of debian! I just wanna ask questions: > 1. Is Subscribing to mailing list free? Yes, it is. I am subscribed, so I know :) > 2. I have problem with ClamAv: When I scanned file: > --- SCAN SUMMARY

General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread Tatoka
Hello, dear users community of debian! I just wanna ask questions: 1. Is Subscribing to mailing list free? 2. I have problem with ClamAv: When I scanned file: --- SCAN SUMMARY --- Known viruses: 8671927 Engine version: 1.0.1 Scanned directories: 0 Scanned files: 1 Infected files: 0

Re: General Questions

2023-07-26 Thread David Wright
On Tue 25 Jul 2023 at 08:18:21 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 07:53:52AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Source Code wrote: > > > 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? Let's say up > > > to 100-200 mb? > > > > That depends on what you choose to run,

Re: General Questions

2023-07-26 Thread Tim Woodall
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 07:53:52AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: Source Code wrote: 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? Let's say up to 100-200 mb? That depends on what you choose to run, and how. I would not recommend trying to

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 08:51:59PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > People, how to solve problem with rfkill without install rfkill? > > Вт, 25 июля 2023 г. в 20:31, Michel Verdier : > > > On 2023-07-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > >> And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm. They will

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 09:18:10PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I'm sorry, Nicolas George, if I offended you. I didn't want it. I'm new > here and don't know how to post my questions without disturbing anyone. So > sorry everyone if my questions have distracted you in any way. I will try > to

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread John Hasler
Source Code writes: > So sorry everyone if my questions have distracted you in any way. Apology accepted. > I will try to figure with my problems out myself in future. It's ok to ask for help again. Just respond politely when people try to answer your questions. -- John Hasler

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 09:18:10PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I'm sorry, Nicolas George, if I offended you. I didn't want it. I'm new > here and don't know how to post my questions without disturbing anyone.i If there is a language barrier here. maybe posting questions on debian-russian

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
I'm sorry, Nicolas George, if I offended you. I didn't want it. I'm new here and don't know how to post my questions without disturbing anyone. So sorry everyone if my questions have distracted you in any way. I will try to figure with my problems out myself in future. Thanks everyone! Вт, 25

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 09:02:36PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I have thought I have right to ask any question, for get answers which I > need :( Yes, you have. But the answers have the right to not be liked by you, at least not always :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Nicolas George
Source Code (12023-07-25): > I have thought I have right to ask any question Oh, you have the right all right. And I have a right of not helping you. Which is exactly what I will do from now on, since you just spat in my face when I tried to. -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description:

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 05:02:09PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] Oh, forgot the ref: > Or have a read at the rfkill source [1] [...] Cheers [1] https://sources.debian.org/src/rfkill/0.5-1/rfkill.c/ -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
I have thought I have right to ask any question, for get answers which I need :( I have another one question: can I use terminal in Debian Installer without any problem in the future? What hot keys I need to use? And what’s step in installer where I can use terminal? I know about shell in the end

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 04:54:54PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Source Code (12023-07-25): > > People, how to solve problem with rfkill without install rfkill? > > Step 1: get rid of stupid constraints. > > Step 2: install rfkill. Or have a read at the rfkill source [1] and see what you have

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Nicolas George
Source Code (12023-07-25): > People, how to solve problem with rfkill without install rfkill? Step 1: get rid of stupid constraints. Step 2: install rfkill. Step 3: solve problem. Step 4: learn what top-posting means. Step 5: stop doing it. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
People, how to solve problem with rfkill without install rfkill? Вт, 25 июля 2023 г. в 20:31, Michel Verdier : > On 2023-07-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > >> And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm. They will be > >> supported in future too? > > > > If people use them, and if the

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-07-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm. They will be >> supported in future too? > > If people use them, and if the upstream developers of these projects > remain active and responsive, they will likely remain in Debian. And about dwm I would

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 06:26:20PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I use Debian on my PC not as a server. > > Using Debian for PC OS is not good? Is it recommended only for servers? > I've only been using it on a PC for 26 years - it is too early to be certain whether it is good or not. > And

Re: Debian as daily driver; WiFi networking and firmware (was: General Questions)

2023-07-25 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 25 Jul 2023 18:26 +0600, from rifesourcec...@gmail.com (Source Code): > Using Debian for PC OS is not good? Is it recommended only for servers? Debian is entirely usable as a daily driver workstation OS. I've been using it as such for around a decade, possibly longer; I have old notes and

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 06:26:20PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I use Debian on my PC not as a server. > > Using Debian for PC OS is not good? Is it recommended only for servers? Both are common. Debian aims to be good for any purpose. > And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm.

Re: Low-memory Debian (was: General Questions)

2023-07-25 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 25 Jul 2023 08:18 -0400, from g...@wooledge.org (Greg Wooledge): >>> 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? Let's say up >>> to 100-200 mb? >> >> That depends on what you choose to run, and how. I would not >> recommend trying to do anything interesting on a machine with

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
I use Debian on my PC not as a server. Using Debian for PC OS is not good? Is it recommended only for servers? And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm. They will be supported in future too? It turns out you need free firmware to use wifi? But I can use wifi, but only with some DE.

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Joe
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 08:18:21 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 07:53:52AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Source Code wrote: > > > 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? > > > Let's say up to 100-200 mb? > > > > That depends on what you choose to run,

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 07:53:52AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > Source Code wrote: > > 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? Let's say up > > to 100-200 mb? > > That depends on what you choose to run, and how. I would not > recommend trying to do anything interesting on a

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Dan Ritter
Source Code wrote: > Hello dear Debian team! I really like this distribution. I use it with > great pleasure! But I would like to know more about this distribution. I > wanted to ask you: debian-users is composed of users of Debian, not a "team". > 1. After installing Debian without a single

General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
Hello dear Debian team! I really like this distribution. I use it with great pleasure! But I would like to know more about this distribution. I wanted to ask you: 1. After installing Debian without a single desktop environment, there is only a web server, ssh server and standard utilities. Is it

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Steven Maddox (Architect)
Hi folks, Thanx for your answers... heres some clarifications... a) I meant to say Debian XFCE! not Ubuntu XFCE (sorry :D) b) I have already replaced mousepad for MadEdit (v.nice editor in my opinion) c) I know loads of text editors can do multi-file find/replace - but I want to do this on

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Raffaele Morelli
c) I know loads of text editors can do multi-file find/replace - but I want to do this on a massive scale, it would mean opening up every text file on the file system! - i.e. I want to -on mass- rename something unique in all configuration files mentioning it Don't you like CLI instead a GUI

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On 5/2/07, Steven Maddox (Architect) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, Thanx for your answers... heres some clarifications... snip f) on a bizarre connected note, I know that Debian is *rock solid* stable - but when doing an 'apt-get upgrade' I haven't noticed a since new thing! is this

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Mitja Podreka
Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: c) I know loads of text editors can do multi-file find/replace - but I want to do this on a massive scale, it would mean opening up every text file on the file system! - i.e. I want to -on mass- rename something unique in all configuration files mentioning it

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 08:54:38AM +0100, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: Hi folks, Thanx for your answers... heres some clarifications... a) I meant to say Debian XFCE! not Ubuntu XFCE (sorry :D) b) I have already replaced mousepad for MadEdit (v.nice editor in my opinion) c) I

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread John Hasler
Steven Maddox writes: I want to do this on a massive scale, it would mean opening up every text file on the file system! - i.e. I want to -on mass- rename something unique in all configuration files mentioning it As others have mentioned this is exactly the sort of problem sed was invented to

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/02/07 02:54, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: [snip] e) I was after some kind of tray icon auto-updater thingy for the XFCE Debian to tell me of new updates to Debian 4.0, this is a server however (I like GUI's don't sue me) so it would be

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 08:54:38AM +0100, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: b) I have already replaced mousepad for MadEdit (v.nice editor in my opinion) Sounds interesting, but did you compile from source? It's not in Debian repos (I'm asking because I'm interested in trying a new editor).

Re: General questions...

2007-05-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of files after a path change) krename sounds like what you need, though

Re: General questions...

2007-05-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 02:57:06PM +0100, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of files after a path change) cream (gvim) text editor can do that. It's called 'Multi-File

General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Steven Maddox (Architect)
Lo I've a few burning needs, so if anyone knows the answers - let me know! :D 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of files after a path change) 2) Ubuntu had a little graphical app that loaded upon double

Re: General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Andrew J. Barr
Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: 2) Ubuntu had a little graphical app that loaded upon double clicking DEB files, it let you install them - what is this app? :D gdebi -- Andrew J. Barr Thunderbird/1.5.0.10 (compatible; Icedove 1.5; X11; en-US; Linux 2.6.21-rc7 x86_64) Debian/1.5.0.10dfsg.1-3

Re: General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: Lo I've a few burning needs, so if anyone knows the answers - let me know! :D 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of

Re: General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Alan Ianson
On Monday 30 April 2007 06:57, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: Lo I've a few burning needs, so if anyone knows the answers - let me know! :D 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of files after a path

Re: General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:11:01 -0700 Alan Ianson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 30 April 2007 06:57, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: Lo I've a few burning needs, so if anyone knows the answers - let me know! :D 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-24 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 09:42:16PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 09:59:22PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 08:33:00PM -0700, Scott wrote: The latest official Debian Sarge package for Firefox is for v 1.04!

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 03:11:44PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: I meant what I said. We have OGo connecting to a previously-existing mysql database, for mailshots etc. It works perfectly well. I can only speak from my experience. You mean a mail merge? -- Chris. == Reproduction if

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 09:59:22PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 08:33:00PM -0700, Scott wrote: The latest official Debian Sarge package for Firefox is for v 1.04! http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mozilla-firefox/ Myself, I don't use Crapfox, and therefore

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-20 Thread Juraj Fedel
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 10:22:02AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Clarification: When etch transitions from Testing to Stable, all the packages (including, by that time, OpenOffice.org 2) will stay in etch/Stable. Is there any known timeline when this my happen? Juraj Fedel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-20 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 09:29:35AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 13:46 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Backporting from security fixes in Mozilla or Firefox are to heavy so they have considered to use 1.07 and rename it for Sarge. I thought that in those cases they

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 09:52 +0100, Juraj Fedel wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 10:22:02AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Clarification: When etch transitions from Testing to Stable, all the packages (including, by that time, OpenOffice.org 2) will stay in etch/Stable. Is there any known

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Antony, Am 2005-11-15 11:11:02, schrieb Antony Gelberg: It's not that simple. A lot of newbies dive into testing or unstable because they have to have the newest stuff, then they don't know what to do when their system breaks. HOW can a newbie come to TESTING or UNSTABLE? A newbie which

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-17 08:48:33, schrieb loos: 1. Normal = most of them does just that. I do not know ONE newbie which is using TESTING or UNSTABLE. 2. Debian unstable is just as good as a stable Fedora, etc. My Development Workstation was broken several times in the last 4 month. There was no

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-18 Thread Curt Howland
HOW can a newbie come to TESTING or UNSTABLE? I did. Testing, specifically, and ran into all the trouble one would expect. A newbie which come to our website, WILL download STABLE. False. There are more examples than just I. Unless, of course, by our you mean some other web site than

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread loos
newbie - unstable, that's normal. If you like it that way. And they will learn a lot. Why is it normal for a newbie to use unstable? It's usually an initial period of look at me, I'm using Debian without having to use their cruddy old software followed by a cry for help, either here or

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-13 03:43:00, schrieb Oliver Lupton: Firefox is currently @ 1.07 and every point release since 1.0 has been due to security issues. Following the link you gave, I get to a file such as mozilla-firefox_1.0.4-2sarge5_i386.deb, I'm not entirely sure what the '-2' part means, but

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-12 21:59:22, schrieb Marc Wilson: Myself, I don't use Crapfox, and therefore don't pay any attention to its Debian versioning, but if normal Debian practices are being followed, security fixes are backported to stable, rather than new and untested versions being packaged for

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-14 23:27:29, schrieb Antony Gelberg: Michael Marsh wrote: In short, the patched version of Firefox in sarge is *not* 1.0.7, so calling it 1.0.7 would be a mistake. Um, as I've said elsewhere in this thread, it is a newer upstream version than 1.0.4. Not sure exactly what

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-13 11:32:16, schrieb Antony Gelberg: Bruce Hohl wrote: OpenOffice 2.0 is an important piece of software. snip Why? Because you will need biger CPU's and more memory in your computer which will make the manufacturer richer. :-P Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-12 17:05:54, schrieb Antony Gelberg: Antony Gelberg wrote: http://www.debian.doc/releases might help you understand how releases work in Debian. Oops. s/doc/com | s/com/org/ Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 13:46 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2005-11-12 21:59:22, schrieb Marc Wilson: Myself, I don't use Crapfox, and therefore don't pay any attention to its Debian versioning, but if normal Debian practices are being followed, security fixes are backported to stable,

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 22:43 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 01:26:50AM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: I think users need to get back to learning a little. I was asked by a customer yesterday why Thunderbird doesn't capitalise the H in Hello like Outlook (Word) does. I was

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 22:23 +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 11:11 +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Andy Streich wrote: [snip] No, it's not, and that's not what I said. I was pointing out that encouraging newbies to use testing or

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Carl Fink
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 09:40:32AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 22:43 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: So it's inefficent. So what? Because in 6 months or a year, when the size of that quick-and-dirty DB grows bigger than expected, and becomes vital to the organization (or

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 22:41 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 09:40:32AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 22:43 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: So it's inefficent. So what? Because in 6 months or a year, when the size of that quick-and-dirty DB grows bigger

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread loos
\ 9- # chmod 777 /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/soffice This step seemed but soffice was installed with mode 000 and therefore could not be executed (started). Bad idea, there are a lot of steps between 000 and 777 Don't ever use 777 It is a program you don't need write

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:33:37PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: [OpenOffice.org's new database-front-end capabilities] I'd still like to know what, in business terms if you like, you can do with this, that you cannot do with e.g. LAMP. It's a weird question. There's nothing there you can't

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Steve Lamb
Carl Fink wrote: What the Access-like features of OOo 2 let one do is create and manipulate and use databases WITHOUT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LEARNING HOW. Ah... you mean inefficiently and incorrectly. Got it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 04:52:55PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Carl Fink wrote: What the Access-like features of OOo 2 let one do is create and manipulate and use databases WITHOUT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LEARNING HOW. Ah... you mean inefficiently and incorrectly. Got it. Ah, you're a

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Bruce Hohl
--- loos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9- # chmod 777 /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/soffice This step seemed but soffice was installed with mode 000 and therefore could not be executed (started). Bad idea, there are a lot of steps between 000 and 777 Don't ever use 777 It is a

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Carl Fink
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 01:26:50AM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: I think users need to get back to learning a little. I was asked by a customer yesterday why Thunderbird doesn't capitalise the H in Hello like Outlook (Word) does. I was too speechless to suggest just typing properly. In

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 11:11 +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Andy Streich wrote: latest and greatest of everything. What I did find surprising after reading this list for a while was that stable meant not only really stable but also really slow release cycle. Okay,

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-15 Thread loos
Em Ter, 2005-11-15 às 16:44 -0600, Ron Johnson escreveu: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 11:11 +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Andy Streich wrote: latest and greatest of everything. What I did find surprising after reading this list for a while was that stable meant not

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-15 Thread Bruce Hohl
It's not that simple. A lot of newbies dive into testing or unstable because they "have" to have the newest stuff, then they don't know what to do when their system breaks. So it's Debian's *fault* that newbies whine when they make no effort to read the Debian web site? Gentlemen: My

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 18:25 -0800, Bruce Hohl wrote: It's not that simple. A lot of newbies dive into testing or unstable because they have to have the newest stuff, then they don't know what to do when their system breaks. So it's Debian's *fault* that newbies whine when they make

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-14 Thread loos
Em Dom, 2005-11-13 às 17:19 -0500, Carl Fink escreveu: On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:16:27AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Carl Fink wrote: Why use a distro if you're going to have to manually install things anyway? That might make sense if we were just installing an OS but everyone

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-14 Thread Carl Fink
On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 01:39:07PM -0200, loos wrote: Em Dom, 2005-11-13 ?s 17:19 -0500, Carl Fink escreveu: On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:16:27AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Carl Fink wrote: Why use a distro if you're going to have to manually install things anyway? That might

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-14 Thread s. keeling
Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kent West wrote: No. Stable does not get new packages, other than bug/security fixes and the like. And that my friends, is Debian's biggest flaw when it comes to the desktop user. It's also why I'll never run stable It is not a flaw. It's a designed in

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-14 Thread Andy Streich
On Monday 14 November 2005 09:21 am, s. keeling wrote: Stability is what Debian was trying to produce when Murdock friends began.  That's still a cornerstone value.  Considering all the downstream distributions based on Debian, that strategy is working well. I agree. But as a relative newbie

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 05:50:18PM -0800, Andy Streich wrote: On Monday 14 November 2005 09:21 am, s. keeling wrote: Stability is what Debian was trying to produce when Murdock friends began.  That's still a cornerstone value.  Considering all the downstream distributions based on Debian,

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-14 Thread Steve Lamb
Andy Streich wrote: latest and greatest of everything. What I did find surprising after reading this list for a while was that stable meant not only really stable but also really slow release cycle. Okay, that's the price you pay for really stable. Why be so hung up on release

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Scott
Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 08:33:00PM -0700, Scott wrote: The latest official Debian Sarge package for Firefox is for v 1.04! http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mozilla-firefox/ if normal Debian practices are being followed, security fixes are backported to

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Scott
Robert Brockway wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Scott wrote: I was absolutely blown away by this: The latest official Debian Sarge package for Firefox is for v 1.04! http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mozilla-firefox/ I'm rather surprised to see this. Why? Firefox is currently

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Scott
Steve Lamb wrote: Scott wrote: And then OpenOffice.0rg 3, Firefox 2.0, GIMP 3.0, GNOME 2.16, and KDE 4.0 will be released within the following month discouraging many from sticking with Debian stable You still misunderstand. The point is there is no one standing there with a gun

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Scott
Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 04:55:36PM -0700, Scott wrote: Marc Wilson wrote: OpenOffice.org 2 will never be added to Debian stable. Instead, the next time there is a stable release (Etch), OpenOffice.org 2 will be included. And then OpenOffice.0rg 3, Firefox 2.0, GIMP 3.0,

Version numbers and backporting [was Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie]

2005-11-13 Thread Robert Brockway
[Discussion on Debian version numbers and backporting] On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Scott wrote: Perhaps, but it's also confusing to anyone coming to Debian from another Linux distro. Let's just hope they *properly* update the user agent string.. I say, that approach is fine, but why not show the

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Mark Crean
Scott wrote: [snip] What Debian (or SOMEBODY please) needs is a new stable release at least once a year with security updates, bugfixes AND *major* software package (i.e 1.5 to 2.0, 3.6-4.0) updates to that release as the next release is being simultaneously developed. Wait, there is one I

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 04:50:50PM -0700, Scott wrote: Kent West wrote: No. Stable does not get new packages, other than bug/security fixes and the like. And that my friends, is Debian's biggest flaw when it comes to the desktop user. It's also why I'll never run stable I think quite a

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 02:42:25AM -0700, Scott wrote: Robert Brockway wrote: It's normal for the Debian security team to backport changes into the existing code base in Debian. Thus I expect the Firefox 1.04 to be the vanilla source 1.04 plus backported security fixes. This is a _good_

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2005-11-13 Thread steef
Original Message Subject:Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie Resent-Date:Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:40:36 -0600 (CST) Resent-From:debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:22:44 -0500 From: Mark Grieveson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Thomas Jollans
Scott wrote: Kent West wrote: 3- OpenOffice 2 was recently added to Debian Unstable. Is it likely that OpenOffice 2 will be added to Debian Stable. If so when? No. Stable does not get new packages, other than bug/security fixes and the like. And that my friends, is

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 01:09:10PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Version 1 has perfectly adequate support for linking to databases. Where you presumably mean barely usable support if you're already a database expert? At least that's what *I* have. In the time that you spent composing that

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Carl Fink
BTW, I think Sarge is more than just usable for desktops right now. What I fear as a long-time Debian user is that it'll have plenty of time to BECOME obsolete, because Etch won't be released until 2010 or something. If Etch goes frozen by June of next year, the stable-only policy makes perfect

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Scott
Antony Gelberg wrote: Help yourself out by reading the debian-security-announce list. That one I subbed to when I noticed it was there. Also available on Usenet as linux.debian.announce.security (yes, the words are swapped which is confusing). Also read follow-ups and other discussion on

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Scott
Antony Gelberg wrote: Scott wrote: How about some more noise. The full and correct URL please? Is this perhaps what you meant?: http://www.debian.org/doc/ http://www.debian.org/releases Thanks! I'd actually seen that before but had forgotten where. :-) It's nice to review again. I

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Michael Marsh
On 11/13/05, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Brockway wrote: It's normal for the Debian security team to backport changes into the existing code base in Debian. Thus I expect the Firefox 1.04 to be the vanilla source 1.04 plus backported security fixes. This is a _good_ thing as

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Paul Scott
Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 01:09:10PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: In the time that you spent composing that post, you could have searched the list archives and learnt how to install it. I doubt you could have created any impressive documents in that time. Why use a

Re: [Fwd: Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie]

2005-11-13 Thread Hugh Lawson
steef [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i used 10 years ago wp5.1. never found a better Get dosemu working, find your old wp5.1 install floppies, and you can use wp5.1 under Linux. See: http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/linux.html -- Hugh Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2005-11-12 at 16:50 -0700, Scott wrote: Kent West wrote: 3- OpenOffice 2 was recently added to Debian Unstable. Is it likely that OpenOffice 2 will be added to Debian Stable. If so when? No. Stable does not get new packages, other than bug/security fixes and the like.

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 02:36:05AM -0700, Scott wrote: Marc Wilson wrote: if normal Debian practices are being followed, security fixes are backported to stable, rather than new and untested versions being packaged for stable. Now that you mention it, Ubuntu used to do this the same

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-13 Thread Bruce Hohl
--- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 01:09:10PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Version 1 has perfectly adequate support for linking to databases. Where you presumably mean barely usable support if you're already a database expert? At least that's what *I*

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