Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-08-07 Thread Mike McCarty
terryc wrote: [snip] Now, if you really want low cost per page, mono, look at a good dot Did you really mean to use that word? I dunno what language you intended, but in slangy Spanish 'mano is short for hermano, or brother. But mono is pejorative. Mike --

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-08-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:47:15AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: terryc wrote: [snip] Now, if you really want low cost per page, mono, look at a good dot Did you really mean to use that word? I dunno what language you intended, but in slangy Spanish 'mano is short for hermano, or brother.

Re: [OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Re: Help buying Economic Printer)

2007-08-01 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [snip] Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to fixate on that average number and think that because that's the average, that's what the temperature is supposed to be, weather sites should *not* post average, but

Re: [OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Re: Help buying Economic Printer)

2007-08-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/31/07 11:08, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: [snip] Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to fixate on that average number and think that because that's the average, that's what the temperature is supposed to be, weather

Re: [OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Re: Help buying Economic Printer)

2007-08-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/12/07 12:25, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 11:40:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/11/07 18:44, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:31:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C.

Re: [OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Re: Help buying Economic Printer)

2007-08-01 Thread judd
On 31 Jul, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [snip] Sorry for joining this OT thread. Don't get misled by the subject; this has nothing to do with mathematics: 1) stddev's only apply, if temperatures would vary statistically and would

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-13 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jul 10, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:22:09PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: You don't find that the toner cakes and settles? I've had that in humid weather. It required lots of shaking and I still didn't get the spec number of pages out of

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-13 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/10/07 22:07, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to develop specific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air. They are called dehumidifiers. Why remove the humidity and

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-13 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:24 AM, ispmarin wrote: Is there a range in laser toner's price? Yes, it varies widely from printer to printer, and depending on whether the cartridge is all-new or recycled. Toner cartridges range from $45 to over $200. I usually find recycled cartridges pretty

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-12 Thread Cousin Stanley
Isn't it the Texans that love 40C weather and say Oh, but its a _dry_ heat ? Doug That's the mantra of the cactus-leagers :-) I am a Texan transplanted to Arizona a little over 25 years ago -- Stanley C. Kitching Human Being Phoenix, Arizona == Posted via

[OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Re: Help buying Economic Printer)

2007-07-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/11/07 18:44, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:31:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada. Well, I'm almost in canada and it's 104F (40C) here today with 106F (41C)

Re: [OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Re: Help buying Economic Printer)

2007-07-12 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 11:40:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/11/07 18:44, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:31:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada. Well, I'm almost

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-11 Thread ispmarin
Sooo... If I live in a very wet and hot weather in half of the year, and a very dry and somewhat cold weather in the other half, like São Carlos, Brasil, there is no printer for me? ;-) Inkjets are cheap to buy here, but original replacement cartridges are very expensive. Third parties

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-11 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:31:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada. Well, I'm almost in canada and it's 104F (40C) here today with 106F (41C) tomorrow and saturday. But, as was already said, at

[OT] Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ispmarin wrote: I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges, tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the quality of the page dont

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:12 PM, terryc wrote: If you want a cheap cents per page laser, then you really need to go back to something based on the Canon SX engine, like a HP Laserjet II, Gestetner, etc, etc. with so many machine using the same toner cartridge, the cost of tower per page was the

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: If you're looking for an inexpensive printer you can pick up tomorrow at your local Staples, some of the most recent HP's are surprisingly cheap to run. The new $99 C4280 (an All-in-One, so also a scanner) takes a $30 add on large black

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Mike McCarty
David Brodbeck wrote: On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: If you're looking for an inexpensive printer you can pick up tomorrow at your local Staples, some of the most recent HP's are surprisingly cheap to run. The new $99 C4280 (an All-in-One, so also a scanner) takes a

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jul 10, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Mike McCarty wrote: Hmm. I have s DeskJet 895C which has been sitting up for over a year with cartridges in it. I plugged it in, started it up, and it prints just fine. It had a couple of clogged nozzles, but after printing three test pages, they cleared up.

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/10/07 13:06, David Brodbeck wrote: On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: If you're looking for an inexpensive printer you can pick up tomorrow at your local Staples, some of the most recent HP's are surprisingly cheap to run. The new $99 C4280 (an All-in-One, so also a

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:57:31PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: That's why I went for an inexpensive color laser printer. It cost US$350, but there's no ink to dry up and nozzles to clog. You don't find that the toner cakes and settles? I've had that in humid weather. It required lots of

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:22:09PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:57:31PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: That's why I went for an inexpensive color laser printer. It cost US$350, but there's no ink to dry up and nozzles to clog. You don't find that the

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/10/07 20:22, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:57:31PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: That's why I went for an inexpensive color laser printer. It cost US$350, but there's no ink to dry up and nozzles to clog. You don't find that the toner cakes and settles? I've

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: TEASE=ANTI-CANADIAN Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I understand that up in the Great White North it rarely gets above 10C and so you've only heard rumors of such things, but they do a great job of,

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/10/07 22:07, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: TEASE=ANTI-CANADIAN Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I understand that up in the Great White North it rarely gets above 10C and so you've only heard rumors of

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:15:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/10/07 22:07, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: TEASE=ANTI-CANADIAN Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I understand that up in the Great White North

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:15:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/10/07 22:07, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: TEASE=ANTI-CANADIAN Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: TEASE=ANTI-CANADIAN Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I understand that up in the Great White North it rarely gets above 10C and so you've only heard rumors of such things, but they do a great job of,

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:15:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to develop specific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air. They are called dehumidifiers. Why remove the humidity and leave the heat? Doesn't sound

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-10 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:36:43PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:15:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to develop specific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air. They are called

Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-09 Thread ispmarin
Hello all at Debian User. I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges, tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the quality of the page dont need to be high (I will print mainly texts

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-09 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:09PM -, ispmarin wrote: Hello all at Debian User. I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges, tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/09/07 12:59, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:09PM -, ispmarin wrote: Hello all at Debian User. I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges, tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser or deskjet. Performance is

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-09 Thread KS
ispmarin wrote: Hello all at Debian User. I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges, tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the quality of the page dont need to be high (I will

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-09 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:09PM -, ispmarin wrote: Hello all at Debian User. I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges, tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-09 Thread terryc
Your cost per page really depends on how many pages, in total you are going to print. Inkjets are relatively expensive per page, unless you get yumcha ink at exceedingly good prices. ever noticed how you can buy a inkjet printer for less that the costof the refills? If you want a cheap

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-09 Thread Andrew Malcolmson
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:09PM -, ispmarin wrote: Hello all at Debian User. I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges, tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the

Re: Help buying Economic Printer

2007-07-09 Thread Gernot Hassenpflug
Agreed, dot matrix is probably cheaper than ink cartidges, depends on your area probably though. I just wanted to add that if you try hard enough you can get a printer 2nd hand (maybe for free) so just look for cheap inks/ribbons. Printers: avoid newer printers where the inks have a lot of