RE: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-30 12:40, Emanuele Bernardi wrote: My system has en_US.utf8 for default, but I wanted the iso time so I just added the it_IT.utf8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales) and changed in gnome Region & Language the Formats. And what do you do when you need the Paper format, currency, numeric

RE: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

My system has en_US.utf8 for default, but I wanted the iso time so I just added the it_IT.utf8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales) and changed in gnome Region & Language the Formats. -Original Message- From: gwmf...@openmailbox.org [mailto:gwmf...@openmailbox.org] Sent: martedì 30 maggio 2017

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-30 08:46, Greg Wooledge wrote: Perhaps a GNOME-specific mailing list might have more options for you. Maybe there's some way to tell GNOME not to touch the locale settings *at all*, and simply let them pass through from the underlying operating system. Yes, I have switched to

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 08:33:16AM -0400, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: > I want to make everything proper and swapping to all en_DK variables > fixes some things but not others. The only proper solution is to: > > 1) be able to change individual variables within Gnome (which I don't > think

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Sat 27 May 2017 at 17:39:48 (+0200), Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 8 prairial, an CCXXV, gwmf...@openmailbox.org a écrit : > > […] > […] > In this matter, considerations such as "preserving local cultures" are > irrelevant. An astonishing juxtaposition! > Convenience sets a few rules. The

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-27, Curt wrote: > On 2017-05-27, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: >>> >>> Define "appears to not be working." Anyhow, I believe someone here can >>> help you with this if only they'll pipe up (and you stop top-posting). >>> >>> ;-) >> >>

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

> "g" == gwmfms6 writes: g> You are correct. typing locale in the virtual (text) console produces g> LC_TIME=en_DK. So GNOME is overriding PAM's environment. g> Thank you so much for helping me discover this! I learned a lot in the g> process. Did you re-start gdm

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:39:03 AM Curt wrote: > Normally, you should "interleave" your responses, trimming the material > not pertinent to your reply. +1 > I say this because bottom-posting (like bottom-fishing--well, not > precisely) in which the poster quotes (following others of his

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-27 11:39, Nicolas George wrote: L'octidi 8 prairial, an CCXXV, gwmf...@openmailbox.org a écrit : A lot of Europe does it, and it is wrong! It goes back quite a while to when it was fashionable to use a dot (.) as a symbol for multiplication. So Europe stopped using a dot to signal a

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Sat, 27 May 2017, at 16:24, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: > A lot of Europe does it, and it is wrong! It goes back quite a while to > when it was fashionable to use a dot (.) as a symbol for multiplication. I don't think it's a straightforward as that. Mathematics (at university level)

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

L'octidi 8 prairial, an CCXXV, gwmf...@openmailbox.org a écrit : > A lot of Europe does it, and it is wrong! It goes back quite a while to when > it was fashionable to use a dot (.) as a symbol for multiplication. So > Europe stopped using a dot to signal a decimal point to avoid confusion > (they

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-27, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: >> >> Define "appears to not be working." Anyhow, I believe someone here can >> help you with this if only they'll pipe up (and you stop top-posting). >> >> ;-) > > "Top-posting" is putting my writing above the quote? this

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-27 10:49, Frank wrote: Op 27-05-17 om 14:33 schreef gwmf...@openmailbox.org: Denmark does LC_NUMERIC wrong (using a comma where there should be a decimal point). Really? When did Denmark start using a decimal point instead of a comma? Regards, Frank A lot of Europe does it, and

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-27 10:20, Curt wrote: On 2017-05-27, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: This definitely explains the problem (Thanks for contributing!), but I don't think it's a real solution because changing the Gnome region like described (although it does change LC_TIME)

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

Op 27-05-17 om 14:33 schreef gwmf...@openmailbox.org: Denmark does LC_NUMERIC wrong (using a comma where there should be a decimal point). Really? When did Denmark start using a decimal point instead of a comma? Regards, Frank

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-27, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: > This definitely explains the problem (Thanks for contributing!), but I > don't think it's a real solution because changing the Gnome region like > described (although it does change LC_TIME) changes other variables (in >

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

This definitely explains the problem (Thanks for contributing!), but I don't think it's a real solution because changing the Gnome region like described (although it does change LC_TIME) changes other variables (in addition to LC_TIME) that make no sense for the United States (eg., LC_NUMERIC,

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:57:22PM -0400, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: >> A virtual console (eg, Ctrl+Alt+F2) produces the correct result when I >> type ncal. >> >> But if I type ncal in gnome-terminal, it starts the weeks with Sunday

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

You are correct. typing locale in the virtual (text) console produces LC_TIME=en_DK. So GNOME is overriding PAM's environment. Thank you so much for helping me discover this! I learned a lot in the process. On 2017-05-26 13:01, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:54:24PM -0400,

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:57:22PM -0400, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: > A virtual console (eg, Ctrl+Alt+F2) produces the correct result when I > type ncal. > > But if I type ncal in gnome-terminal, it starts the weeks with Sunday > (which is wrong). GNOME problem, right? That's why

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:54:24PM -0400, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: > I neglected to say my environment. Sorry! I am on GNOME and login via > GDM. > > I do not use SSH and it says connection refused when I try. > > when I open a virtual console, and type ncal, the calendar begins with >

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

A virtual console (eg, Ctrl+Alt+F2) produces the correct result when I type ncal. But if I type ncal in gnome-terminal, it starts the weeks with Sunday (which is wrong). GNOME problem, right? That's why /etc/default/locale isn't working how I expected? On 2017-05-26 12:54,

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

I neglected to say my environment. Sorry! I am on GNOME and login via GDM. I do not use SSH and it says connection refused when I try. when I open a virtual console, and type ncal, the calendar begins with Monday--so this appears to be working. The problem is with GNOME, then? I suppose

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 06:31:29PM +0200, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: > ~/Desktop $ cat /etc/default/locale > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8 > ~/Desktop $ locale > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > LANGUAGE= > LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_NUMERIC=en_US.utf8 > LC_TIME=en_US.utf8 >

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

I did #1 and #2 before posting here, before putting LC_TIME at /etc/default/locale. I reconfirmed that it is as you say it should be when running locale -a. Here is what locale reports after I log back in: ~/Desktop $ locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE= LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:54:14AM -0400, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: > Thank you. You forgot to include the mailing list. > I have already done #1 and #2. Did it work? > #3 is what I need Did it work? > but I want them permanent. I am fine with it being > system-wide for every login

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:30:15AM -0400, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote: > This wiki is apparently out of date because it does not work: > https://wiki.debian.org/Locale#First_day_of_week I don't advise putting ANYTHING at all in /etc/default/locale. That would affect all logins by all users

How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

This wiki is apparently out of date because it does not work: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale#First_day_of_week I have the system default set to en_US.utf8. But I need sensical dates and times (and en_US.utf8 uses nonsensical date & time format). How can I set my Debian 8 stable to use