Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-03-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, RC5. Tomorrow, DES. Next week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man. (Oh well, we can dream...) The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago. That is true, but he is still be pestered more

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-27 Thread Walter L. Preuninger II
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-27 Thread Karl Ferguson
At 01:00 PM 2/26/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: 1. Do we want it? Do we really want free software to be associated with code-breaking in the eyes of the uneducated public? I'm not sure that would not hurt us. Just think about the articles on a government code being broken using a hacker tool

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-27 Thread Jim Pick
Bruce: From: Mike Neuffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] So far the only thing that Bruce accomplished with his uncoordinated action is that numerous hosts dropped entirely out of the key-search. Big deal. They have years to go. We might ask ourselves some questions about this kind of publicity.

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-27 Thread Brian C. White
From: John T. Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harvey Mudd should be producing somewhere between 3 and 4 M kps by tomarrow. Right now, most of us are running under [EMAIL PROTECTED], but we can change that if Bruce still disagrees with our possition. I asked the people at Zero to lump our

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-27 Thread Bruce Perens
Bruce, don't spend all your time worrying about how Debian is going to be viewed by the rest of the Linux community. Uh, sorry, this is my job within the project. We've been really careful to maintain good relations with the other Linux distributions and free software producers. Messing them up

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-27 Thread Marcelo E. Magallón
Bruce, I feel I have to reply after reading some follow ups, including yours. It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real Well

IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Bruce Perens
It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your reporting address

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread jghasler
How is this thing being scored? Do you win by exploring a larger fraction of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key? While the probability of any given group finding the key is proportional to the fraction of the keyspace explored by that group, it could be found by anybody. The

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Karl Ferguson
At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Karl Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group? The whole idea is to increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity. I'd prefer to avoid the perception that we would work

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Bruce Perens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you win by exploring a larger fraction of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key? By finding the key. We were approaching a 1 in 10 probability of finding the key. If we won against the Linux group, it would have created the perception that Debian would

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Branden Robinson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you win by exploring a larger fraction of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key? By finding the key. We were approaching a 1 in 10 probability of finding the key. If we won against the Linux group, it would have created the perception that Debian

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Karl Ferguson wrote: At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, RC5. Tomorrow, DES. Next week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man. (Oh well, we can dream...) The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Branden Robinson
From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, RC5. Tomorrow, DES. Next week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man. (Oh well, we can dream...) The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago. I guess the government figures it can leave you alone after it bankrupts you...but

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Juri P Pakaste
Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah. If the folks at gzero.net will add the numbers from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then why would we want to change?! I think that is all the more reason *not* to change because we can help the greater cause while at the same time

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread John T. Larkin
On Feb 26, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote Karl Ferguson wrote: At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your reporting address to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Mark Eichin
subtle, but correct. I've switched (my not terribly significant) machines over... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, RC5. Tomorrow, DES. Next week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man. (Oh well, we can dream...) Bruce: The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago. Branden: I guess the government figures it can leave you alone after it bankrupts

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Bruce Perens
From: John T. Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harvey Mudd should be producing somewhere between 3 and 4 M kps by tomarrow. Right now, most of us are running under [EMAIL PROTECTED], but we can change that if Bruce still disagrees with our possition. I asked the people at Zero to lump our points in

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Mike Neuffer
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Karl Ferguson wrote: At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real

Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

1997-02-26 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Mike Neuffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] So far the only thing that Bruce accomplished with his uncoordinated action is that numerous hosts dropped entirely out of the key-search. Big deal. They have years to go. We might ask ourselves some questions about this kind of publicity. 1. Do we want it?