Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Grüzi Ueli. Am 2005-11-09 22:24:05, schrieb Ueli Meier: Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I read an article that was a bit confusing. It says if you want a Linux Desktop rather

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-10 17:42:58, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez: On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:48:26PM +0100, Thomas Jollans wrote: Ueli Meier wrote: Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-15 Thread Ueli Meier
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 09:23, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Ueli Meier wrote: What where your reasons to switch to debian? Could you explain more? What does it mean Debian is not tuned for the desktop, more work to install? Or is there more to it? I used to use Suse on a couple of servers an

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-15 Thread Mark Crean
Joey Hess wrote: [snip] Have you even looked at the debian installer in the past year? Just curious. This is an area where it's completly possible to satisfy both groups. I think the point is that just installing the stuff is only half the story. It's like providing the raw ingredients

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-15 Thread Joey Hess
Mark Crean wrote: I think the point is that just installing the stuff is only half the story. It's like providing the raw ingredients for a meal. They still have to be prepared and cooked. Some folks lack the time and perhaps the skills for that, which is where the desktop-friendly distros

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-15 Thread Mark Crean
Joey Hess wrote: [snip] I know of several people[1] who have already done a lot of work in this area on Debian. It's illistrative that this wiki page changed from a huge list of things that needed to be done manually before the sarge release to it just works (plus entirely too much info about

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-14 Thread Wendell Cochran
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:26:28 -0600 From: Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Hasler: [snip] Seth Goodman: [snip] John Hasler: Read carefully. [Snipped: a litany of sales, re-namings, changes in course . . . ] Hugo Vanwoerkom: I read it carefully and being, how shall one say, not

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-13 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 07:50:09PM -0800, John L Fjellstad wrote: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Caldera did not merge with SCO. They purchased some assets from SCO (including the SCO trademark) and then changed their name to The SCO Group. SCO changed its name to Tarantella and

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-13 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
John Hasler wrote: I wrote, in part: SCO changed its name to Tarantella and was recently acquired by Sun. Seth Goodman writes: So does that mean an end to their BS legal actions? Read carefully. 1) Caldera purchased certain assets (the Unix business) from Santa Cruz Operation (also

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-13 Thread John Hasler
Hugo Vanwoerkom writes: I read it carefully and being, how shall one say, not business oriented 8-p, what does it mean? It means that the company that now calls itself SCO is an entirely different company from the 1980s Unix company by that name. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-13 Thread James Vahn
John Hassler wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom writes: I read it carefully and being, how shall one say, not business oriented 8-p, what does it mean? It means that the company that now calls itself SCO is an entirely different company from the 1980s Unix company by that name. Smoke and mirrors.

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-13 Thread John Hasler
James Vahn writes: Smoke and mirrors. These are an interesting read: Old news. All this has been covered extensively on Groklaw. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-13 Thread Steve Mazurek
I've used FC2, Mandrake (both of which I like very much) and Debian Sarge. Currently I am using Xandros, which is Debian-based. I'm not using Sarge right now because there are a lot of packages included and it's hard for me to determine which I need or don't need. If i install too many, I'll

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-13 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 09:46:06PM -0800, Steve Mazurek wrote: I've used FC2, Mandrake (both of which I like very much) and Debian Sarge. Currently I am using Xandros, which is Debian-based. I'm not using Sarge right now because there are a lot of packages included and it's hard for me to

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread Joey Hess
Hal Vaughan wrote: Within the Debian framework, it would be quite possible to make it a great desktop system. It would require more packages, but during the install, in package selection, another option for an easy to use desktop system could be added. Doing so could include a number of

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread Joey Hess
Carl Fink wrote: It's not an oversight, certainly. Philosophically Debian goes for flexibility and giving the administrator maximum power and choice. This is at the expense of ease-of-installation by someone who just wants to put the CD in, make two or three selections, click OK, and half an

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 08:17:26AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Have you even looked at the debian installer in the past year? Just curious. This is an area where it's completly possible to satisfy both groups. Once. I have only bought one computer in that time. Remember, official advice was to

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Aube
Carl Fink wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 08:17:26AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Have you even looked at the debian installer in the past year? Just curious. This is an area where it's completly possible to satisfy both groups. Once. I have only bought one computer in that time. Remember,

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread John L Fjellstad
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Corel is considered harmful. Please search Slashdot for SCO if you need reason (latest development: SCO has requested all documents and code relating to IBM's contribution to the Linux 2.7 kernel. And 2.7 wasn't a typo.). Corel has nothing to do with

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread John Hasler
John L. Fjellstad writes: I think you are thinking of Caldera. They merged with SCO and became this evil entity. Caldera did not merge with SCO. They purchased some assets from SCO (including the SCO trademark) and then changed their name to The SCO Group. SCO changed its name to Tarantella

RE: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread Seth Goodman
From: John Hasler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:19 PM ... SCO changed its name to Tarantella and was recently acquired by Sun. So does that mean an end to their BS legal actions? -- Seth Goodman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread John Hasler
I wrote, in part: SCO changed its name to Tarantella and was recently acquired by Sun. Seth Goodman writes: So does that mean an end to their BS legal actions? Read carefully. 1) Caldera purchased certain assets (the Unix business) from Santa Cruz Operation (also then known as SCO). 2)

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread Wendell Cochran
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:13:34 -0600 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1) Caldera purchased certain assets (the Unix business) from Santa Cruz Operation (also then known as SCO). 2) Among the assets Caldera acquired from Santa Cruz Operation was the trademark SCO. 3) Santa Cruz Operation

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-12 Thread John L Fjellstad
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Caldera did not merge with SCO. They purchased some assets from SCO (including the SCO trademark) and then changed their name to The SCO Group. SCO changed its name to Tarantella and was recently acquired by Sun. Still doesn't change the fact that Corel

Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-11 Thread Ueli Meier
Thanks for the answers. I use debian for all of the above, and I wouldn't switch to anything else. I used to use Mandrake also. Yes, you can read dos FAT,FAT32,NTFS,HPFS and many others. What where your reasons to switch to debian? debian is brilliant for everything, but, unlike ubuntu or

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-11 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Ueli Meier wrote: What where your reasons to switch to debian? Could you explain more? What does it mean Debian is not tuned for the desktop, more work to install? Or is there more to it? I used to use Suse on a couple of servers an workstations. I got fed up by it, when I realized that my

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-11 Thread Alan Ianson
On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:29:44AM +, Ueli Meier wrote: Thanks for the answers. I use debian for all of the above, and I wouldn't switch to anything else. I used to use Mandrake also. Yes, you can read dos FAT,FAT32,NTFS,HPFS and many others. What where your reasons to switch to

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-11 Thread Scott
Alan Ianson wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:29:44AM +, Ueli Meier wrote: What is more flexibility, can I install less pakages than with other desktops and save harddisk space and memory? Absolutely, I once did a clean install without gnome or KDE, installed Krusader and that

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-11 Thread Paul Johnson
Thomas Jollans wrote: debian is brilliant for everything, but, unlike ubuntu or suse or mandriva, it is not tuned to be a desktop. this of course gives youa great deal of flexibility. I would have stopped at not tuned. Debian doesn't make stupid assumptions as to how you're going to use the

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-11 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 11 November 2005 09:17 pm, Paul Johnson wrote: Thomas Jollans wrote: debian is brilliant for everything, but, unlike ubuntu or suse or mandriva, it is not tuned to be a desktop. this of course gives youa great deal of flexibility. I would have stopped at not tuned. Debian

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-11 Thread Paul Johnson
Ueli Meier wrote: Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I read an article that was a bit confusing. It says if you want a Linux Desktop rather use coral Linux or Suse. Corel is

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-11 Thread Carl Fink
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 06:17:17PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I would have stopped at not tuned. Debian doesn't make stupid assumptions as to how you're going to use the machine. This is a feature, not an oversight. It's not an oversight, certainly. Philosophically Debian goes for

Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-10 Thread Ueli Meier
Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I read an article that was a bit confusing. It says if you want a Linux Desktop rather use coral Linux or Suse. Check the links.

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-10 Thread Alan Ianson
On Wed November 9 2005 02:24 pm, Ueli Meier wrote: Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I read an article that was a bit confusing. It says if you want a Linux Desktop rather use

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-10 Thread Thomas Jollans
Ueli Meier wrote: Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I read an article that was a bit confusing. It says if you want a Linux Desktop rather use coral Linux or Suse. Check the links.

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-10 Thread Joseph H. Fry
On Thursday 10 November 2005 3:39 pm, Alan Ianson wrote: On Wed November 9 2005 02:24 pm, Ueli Meier wrote: Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I read an article that was a bit

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:48:26PM +0100, Thomas Jollans wrote: Ueli Meier wrote: Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I read an article that was a bit confusing. It says if you

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-10 Thread Jiann-Ming Su
On 11/9/05, Ueli Meier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I read an article that was a bit confusing. It says if you want a Linux Desktop rather use coral

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

2005-11-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 08:26:42PM -0500, Jiann-Ming Su wrote: On 11/9/05, Ueli Meier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need to upgrade. On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for. I read an article that was a