On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
Walter Hurry walterhu...@lavabit.com writes:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:12:01 -0200, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and
compile. The guys at CentOS do it, they get all
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Raf Czlonka r...@linuxstuff.pl wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:29:03PM GMT, Tom H wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka r...@linuxstuff.pl wrote:
On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
To clarify things up (ok, a bit
On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the supporte
To clarify things, Red Hat Linux _was_ a distro available as a free
download with or without commercial support.
Walter Hurry walterhu...@lavabit.com writes:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:12:01 -0200, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and
compile. The guys at CentOS do it, they get all the source code for RHL,
remove the Red Hat branding and distribute it.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka r...@linuxstuff.pl wrote:
On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the supporte
To clarify things, Red Hat Linux _was_ a
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:29:03PM GMT, Tom H wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka r...@linuxstuff.pl wrote:
On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell
O right, sorry, I was talking about RHEL, just didn't notticed the talk was
about RHL, as RHL doesn't exist anymore.
@Walter
And I'm having the same doubt, why CentOS is so despicable? Just to know.
Or is Scientific Linux technically better than CentOS, and that's why you
choose it instead?
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Red Hat Linux = Red Hat's original commercial product
Commercial?! You could get it for free like Fedora as well as get it
for free and then enter into a service contract with RH.
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Miles Fidelman
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Red Hat Linux = Red Hat's original commercial product
Commercial?! You could get it for free like Fedora as well as get it
for free and then enter into a service contract
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:34:59 -0500, Doug wrote:
Out of curiosity I downloaded the LIVE Fedora 16. The user interface is
like nothing I ever saw. If this is the future of computing, I think
I'll go back to pocket calculator and typewriter!
Fedora is my main distribution, though I use Debian
To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the supporte
services. The thing is, you cannot get RHL without paying for the support.
But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and
compile. The guys at CentOS do it,
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:12:01 -0200, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and
compile. The guys at CentOS do it, they get all the source code for RHL,
remove the Red Hat branding and distribute it.
And the guys at Scientific Linux (Fermilab
On Du, 30 oct 11, 00:56:55, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Btw. instead of Red Hat I tested Fedora on a virtual machine, set up on
Suse. Fedora might be a very good choice for beginners and experienced
users too. Is there still a Red Hat distro? Regarding to the German Wiki
Red Hat became Fedora.
No,
Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Du, 30 oct 11, 00:56:55, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Btw. instead of Red Hat I tested Fedora on a virtual machine, set up on
Suse. Fedora might be a very good choice for beginners and experienced
users too. Is there still a Red Hat distro? Regarding to the German Wiki
Red Hat
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.netwrote:
A newbie to ANY o/s is going to need some help with installation,
configuration, software selection/installation/**configuration, general
use, etc.
That help has to come from somewhere - either paid, or from a
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, upgrading or installing from scratch a new version of openSUSE will
be very familiar for you, it's pretty the same. Big changes happen from
time time and usually are smoothly added, so this should not be a problem
at
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:58 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
- ease of software installation (IMHO apt makes things easier than any
other packaging system out there)
There are GUIs that will help us, synaptic, yast, smart etc..
OT: There's one advantage all Linux distros do share. It's easy to
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:58 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
- need for current versions of specific software packages (at least for
some of the packages I rely on, the packaged versions tend to lag well
behind the upstream versions, and I end up installing a lot of stuff
from the upstream
On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 00:24 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:58 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
- need for current versions of specific software packages (at least for
some of the packages I rely on, the packaged versions tend to lag well
behind the upstream versions, and
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:55:39 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't find docs which say you can do a major version upgrade without
booting installation media in SUSE.
(...)
I already sent you the link, maybe you missed it:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:48:36 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
Right after that, it does discuss upgrade via zypper, but it mentions
only minor version upgrades in the discussion. Well, at least those
would be minor version upgrades in Debian. Maybe in SUSE it is a major
change. If so, then holy
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:07:34 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
Camaleón wrote:
For such big jumps the official supported method is using the DVD
(off- line upgrade) but AFAIK, it is the same here in Debian, only one
jump is supported which does not mean that you cannot upgrade from
Debian 4 to Debian
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 01:08 -0400, Doug wrote:
On 10/28/2011 07:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 23:27 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
People might read the
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:19 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:55:39 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't find docs which say you can do a major version upgrade without
booting installation media in SUSE.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote:
all in all your imagination is nonsense.
- Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via
packet radio, where swearing is illegal.
It is from here
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
By trying both LiveCDs you will see how the two system look like, how
they're organized and the most important part for a LiveCD: you'll can
try out the hardware detection.
That's really the most important part, I should say
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
A good Linux distro for beginners is a Linux distro with a huge
community, IOW a distro that is used by many people and that comes with
lot's of up to date forums, wikis etc., hence a good distro for
beginners
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:19 +, Camaleón wrote:
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade
***
Version: 11.2+ Starting with openSUSE 11.2, a live upgrade from the prior
version is officially supported. This
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote:
To be holier than the pope, it's written that this is a Debian list
Correct and that's why I came to know that Debian is as solid as a rock!
so if you blame me, you should blame yourself too ;).
It's not the
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
A good Linux distro for beginners is a Linux distro with a huge
community, IOW a distro that is used by many people and that comes with
lot's of up to date forums, wikis etc., hence a good distro for
beginners would be one of
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:15:22 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
I just meant that, security patched for 18 months are enough for the
beginners and the people who are from other filed (like me). After 18
months, in the home PC, we can reinstall the newer version again (or
upgrade the same, if it doesn't
Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
A good Linux distro for beginners is a Linux distro with a huge
community, IOW a distro that is used by many people and that comes with
lot's of up to date forums, wikis etc., hence a good distro for
I have been both a Debian and Ubuntu user for some time. Recently switched
to virtual box and gave up the partitioning and while the process is
absolutely astounding
the size of the desktop was rather disappointing. Recently installed SUSE on
VB and was astounded the desktop covers my entire 17.3
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:11 PM, francis picabia fpica...@gmail.comwrote:
I think you read something into that which wasn't stated. I never
mentioned openSUSE.
You might have never used that, that's why, I guess you didn't mention.
In Debian it requires only a quick couple of reboots to
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote:
If you are truly a Linux tyro. . . . In my opinion, PCLinuxOS is one of the
best distributions to start with simply because it's designed from the
ground up for those coming from another OS like Windows, or who have no
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 17:56 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com
wrote:
If you are truly a Linux tyro. . . . In my opinion, PCLinuxOS
is one of the best distributions to start with simply because
it's designed
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 16:20 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I didn't read the thread, just this mail.
Suse
Yes, I read about one point of a second mail, but I didn't read anything
more. Note, people searching the archive might do the same as I did.
Don't care to much about migrating from one OS to
OT: Just for entertainment. Some guys of my age might be accustomed to
the Fairlight CMI's OS, based on a 68000 as the Atari is based too, but
a little bit more expensive than the Atari.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5C4VF7xdcc
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:53:17 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
(...)
However, I have not understood the meanings of all these packages (this
is what people say here), I guess, openSUSE is good to start with.
While, Debian too could be a rock solid, but I don't know why I am going
to try (with a Live
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:41:46 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
(...)
Maybe you think that because you see openSUSE as a transient step to
finally reach Debian but it is not: openSUSE is powerful enough to fit
any requirements,
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:46:45 -0400, Robert Blair Mason Jr. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:58:51 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
wrote:
(...)
I'm not sure that stability and freedom were inside the novice
part but anyway, openSUSE is also stable (rock solid) and cares about
your
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:41:46 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
However I don't use Suse so I wouldn't be on top of the latest here. I
am talking about major upgrades, like 11 to 12, not 11.3 to 11.4.
For such big jumps the
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:10:53 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:41:46 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
However I don't use Suse so I wouldn't be on top of the latest here. I
am talking about major upgrades,
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:10:53 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:41:46 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
However I don't use Suse so I
Camaleón wrote:
For such big jumps the official supported method is using the DVD (off-
line upgrade) but AFAIK, it is the same here in Debian, only one jump
is supported which does not mean that you cannot upgrade from Debian 4 to
Debian 6, but like openSUSE, that scenario is noy oficially
On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
People might read the list's archive, so please don't write such
careless generalisations.
Yours is the careless generalisation. This was in reply to a specific
poster and in
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 23:27 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
People might read the list's archive, so please don't write such
careless generalisations.
Yours is the careless
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 01:04 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 23:27 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
People might read the list's archive, so please don't write
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:55 PM, francis picabia fpica...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't find docs which say you can do a major version upgrade without booting
installation media in SUSE.
I do see this:
On 10/28/2011 07:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 23:27 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
People might read the list's archive, so please don't write such
careless
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@lavabit.comwrote:
I may get flamed for this (we are on a Debian list after all), but both
are IMHO quite straightforward and simple to use for virtually all
mainstream tasks, provided one reads and follows the instructions on the
side
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:56:25 +0530
Linux Tyro ubuntu@gmail.com wrote:
Okk. It means that they soon changes but at least Debian is rock solid
stable (because it is not the test bed of anybody like SLES or RHEL or
anyother...). Is it exactly like this that Debian is only for those
who
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:
'Stability' and 'getting new software frequently' are incompatible.
Debian has three distributions running. The only one advertised and
called just 'Debian' is the Stable version. It receives quick fixes for
security bugs, but on
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:41:16 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
(...)
Debian is (at least) one of the best GNU/Linux distributions to use if
you want to experience the excitement of discovering the real Linux
/Unix stuff behind
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:40:00 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
I am beginner in Linux and do another job.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:00:26 +0530
Linux Tyro ubuntu@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:
Okay, what I meant is that Debain is for Testing for the self
stability only (not commercialized like Fedora for RHEL...). Of
course, it should be the
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:04:02 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem with most reviews is they base it on a fresh install and
Desktop set up.
Living with a distro is often far different than a fresh install.
(...)
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:41:16 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
(...)
Debian is (at least) one of the best GNU/Linux distributions to use if
you want to
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:47:33 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
I wanted to say that when you are a linux newbie (we all have been
there) your main concern is not focused in freedom or stability but
understanding how all that
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
I wanted to say that when you are a linux newbie (we all have been there)
your main concern is not focused in freedom or stability but
understanding how all that stuff works and how can do what you need with
the less problems,
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:
That's the best place to be. Too old and it can't use enough RAM to be
useful, too new and the hardware hasn't yet been reverse-engineered to
write drivers, as few manufacturers bother producing good drivers for
Linux. That's not
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:04:02 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem with most reviews is they base it on a fresh install and
Desktop set up.
Living
On 27 Oct 2011, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
[snip]
However; perfection for a novice is not just to find another OS or
GNU/Linux distribution using which they can do everything on a stable
GUI. What eventually is more important is the scene behind the GUI. I
have to admit that GUI helps a novice
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote:
A distribution that does everything with the GUI certainly makes things
easier for beginners, but I think that unless you take the plunge and
become comfortable with the command line you are likely to progress
only
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:58:51 + (UTC)
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:38 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
I am beginner in Linux and
--- On Wed, 10/26/11, Linux Tyro ubuntu@gmail.com wrote:
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me regarding
the following:
Debian vs openSUSE for a novice
Neither.
If you are truly a Linux
Hi,
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me regarding
the following:
Debian vs openSUSE for a novice
I am very beginner, however, I do have used Linux (only installed and net
surfed in it) but never
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
Hi,
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me
regarding the following:
Debian vs openSUSE for a novice
I am very beginner, however, I do
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me
regarding the following:
Debian vs openSUSE for a novice
Well, being this a Debian mailing list, my
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me
regarding the following:
Debian
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me
regarding the following:
Debian
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:38 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very
less. Just a simple doubts regarding the
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:40:00 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very
less. Just a simple doubts regarding the
On Wednesday 26 October 2011 18:25:40 Linux Tyro wrote:
Please suggest me regarding
the following:
Debian vs openSUSE for a novice
Personally, I would say Debian every time, but it is horses for courses.
I started on SuSE. I stuck it for a while, and then could take it no longer.
I
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:38 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
I am beginner in Linux and do another job.
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