Re: More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-23 Thread Brian
On Tue 23 Sep 2014 at 11:02:47 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: [207 line essay snipped] I was eating my breakfast Rice Krispies while reading this. The soothing Snap, Crackle and Pop helped to put the right perspective on what was said. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-23 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Dienstag, 23. September 2014, 11:02:47 schrieb Joel Rees: There are some people who are trying to squelch conversations on this list with cries of FUD! FUD! Honestly: I stopped reading there. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F

Re: More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-09-23, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Dienstag, 23. September 2014, 11:02:47 schrieb Joel Rees: There are some people who are trying to squelch conversations on this list with cries of FUD! FUD! Honestly: I stopped reading there. I didn't get past the subject line.

Re: More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-23 Thread Håkon Alstadheim
On 23. sep. 2014 04:02, Joel Rees wrote: [snipped] Just to off-set the negative comments, I'd say Joel R. States his case pretty well, though I think dropping the sarcasm-bit would have improved it. I'll paraphrase my understanding of A FEW of Joel's points, just to see if I read him

Re: More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-23 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/22/2014 10:02 PM, Joel Rees wrote: There are some people who are trying to squelch conversations on this list with cries of FUD! FUD! lots of good stuff snipped Well said, Joel. And it's interesting to see who reads it and who doesn't. No surprises, I must say. Jerry -- To

Re: More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-23 Thread Brian
On Tue 23 Sep 2014 at 08:27:27 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/22/2014 10:02 PM, Joel Rees wrote: There are some people who are trying to squelch conversations on this list with cries of FUD! FUD! lots of good stuff snipped Well said, Joel. And it's interesting to see who reads it

Re: More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:29:20 +0200 Håkon Alstadheim ha...@alstadheim.priv.no wrote: Apparently Joel has (valid! ) other commitments. There are people willing and able to work on systemd. Unless someone else steps up with code or an online class in linux IPC, I'd say the case can be closed.

Re: More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-23 Thread Brian
On Tue 23 Sep 2014 at 10:43:24 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I *really* wish I'd evangelized daemontools on this list before the majority of the systemd conversation occurred. Daemontools is much, much more than a substitute for any init. You're an Evangelist? Here was me thinking you were one of

More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-22 Thread Joel Rees
There are some people who are trying to squelch conversations on this list with cries of FUD! FUD! To you I offer one more thing to cry Fear! Uncertainty! Doubt! about. [begin-sarcasm] Can you do binary math in your head? Boolean logic? Can you process a chain of inferences without a computer

Re: More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-22 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 9/22/14, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: So, with that example in place, I'm hoping that everyone who bothers to read this will at least agree that, one, users should be regularly spending a little time to learn a little more about the systems they use. Users should be willing to