On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 04:48:44PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
For the irksome case where a proprietary protocol is changed out from under
Free Software in a stable release, Debian has already had a mechanism for
fixing this, for a while.
First, the change required to support the
Dear developers,
I hope, this might be the right list, to start a new discussion. Additionally
this also should read developers and ftp-masters, as theire word has great
weight.
Well, I want to like to suggest, to slightly change the policy for
debian/stable. Please let me explain. In the
On 14/02/11 17:58, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Dear developers,
Such things happen and will happen in our fast changing times again and
again,
and IMO especially stable-users want a system that is running stable. But
debian policy is causing more trouble than expected.
I value the stable
On Monday 14 February 2011 18:58:28 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Dear developers,
As the name of list states, this is a user list. Better post to devel list.
Nevertheless what is backport for?
Thierry
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From: Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:41:38
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: New policies?
On Monday 14 February 2011 18:58:28 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote
Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
I will be pleased if my suggestion is worth to start a discussion of it.
Great suggestion! Couldn't have said it better myself! Not even close!
One thing I would like to add is that when Debian has a major upgrade, it
should ALWAYS keep your config
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From: Erin Brinkley erinbrink...@ymail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:32:20
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: New policies?
Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
I will be pleased if my suggestion is worth to start a discussion of it.
Great suggestion! Couldn't have said it better
On 02/14/2011 04:32 PM, Erin Brinkley wrote:
One thing I would like to add is that when Debian has a major upgrade, it
should ALWAYS keep your config files.
It does. Unless you tell it otherwise.
I know that it asks whether you want
to install the new maintainer version or keep your old,
On Lu, 14 feb 11, 18:58:28, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
[big snip]
This has been discussed over and over and over and over and over
(you get the point, just search the archives of debian-user and
debian-devel).
Before you start this discussion again please read on backports and
Am 14. Feb, 2011 schwätzte Erin Brinkley so:
moin moin Erin,
Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
I will be pleased if my suggestion is worth to start a discussion of it.
Great suggestion! Couldn't have said it better myself! Not even close!
One thing I would like to add is that
Dne, 14. 02. 2011 18:58:28 je Hans-J. Ullrich napisal(a):
Dear developers,
I hope, this might be the right list, to start a new discussion.
Additionally
this also should read developers and ftp-masters, as theire word has
great
weight.
Unfortunately, this is just a user-to-user list.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote:
[snip]
I like -- actually, love, as Barry White would say, -- Debian just the way
it is.
[snip]
Just wanted to throw a kudos to you for finding a way to include a Barry
White reference in the Debian mailing list!
Mark
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:32:20 -0800 (PST)
Erin Brinkley erinbrink...@ymail.com wrote:
Is something like this doable / desirable or do we have to just wait
every year or so and then do a major upgrade? Like I said I would SO
prefer to just upgrade software incrementally all the time. It would
Hello all!
First of all thanks for the fast reply. Of course I know, this is a user list,
but I think, there are also a lot of developers here.
Well, what I wanted to express is this (and please apologize my direct words):
Debian policy breaks the sense of stable, because of its own policy it
Am 14. Feb, 2011 schwätzte Hans-J. Ullrich so:
moin moin Hans,
First of all thanks for the fast reply. Of course I know, this is a user list,
but I think, there are also a lot of developers here.
Well, what I wanted to express is this (and please apologize my direct words):
Debian policy
Am Montag, 14. Februar 2011 schrieb der.hans:
Hi Hans,
Does backports provide the updates you want to see?
http://backports.debian.org/
No, there are not older packages needed, but NEWER packages from testing
should be transferred to stable! As I wrote in my example: Pidgin and kopete
Well, I want to like to suggest, to slightly change the policy for
debian/stable. Please let me explain. In the past years I am using
debian (now for more than 8 years), there always was a problem with
debian/stable whenever things changed, and new versions of applications
or libs were not
On 02/14/2011 07:34 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Am Montag, 14. Februar 2011 schrieb der.hans:
Hi Hans,
Does backports provide the updates you want to see?
http://backports.debian.org/
No, there are not older packages needed, but NEWER packages from testing
should be transferred to stable! As
Hi Krzysztof,
that is not the point. For myself I am using testing as well. My opinion and
my thoughts are these: using stable (with the premisse things will not
change during the next 2 years except of security issues) is outdated today.
This premisse makes no sense for stable, if
On Lu, 14 feb 11, 22:34:38, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Of course it is difficult. If this is wanted, maybe a brand new way must be
found, to merge ASCII-files. At the moment I do not know any. As there are
tools, which merge files, they cannot discover double entries. Maybe every
line
in
On Monday 14 February 2011 11:58:28 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Dear developers,
Wrong list. You want debian-devel.
For the irksome case where a proprietary protocol is changed out from under
Free Software in a stable release, Debian has already had a mechanism for
fixing this, for a while.
Use Git for your /etc or whatever.
On 2011-02-14 22:34, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Automagic merging is difficult. Trying to guess what I meant with my local
config changes would likely drive someone mad :). Well, unless they read
my documentation and changelogs. You do document local config
On Monday 14 February 2011 12:32:20 Erin Brinkley wrote:
One thing I would like to add is that when Debian has a major upgrade, it
should ALWAYS keep your config files. I know that it asks whether you want
to install the new maintainer version or keep your old, but this is always
a headache. I
On Monday 14 February 2011 15:07:30 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Debian policy breaks the sense of stable.
Debian stable == unchanging
Debian unstable == changing
Debian stable != few or no bugs
Debian unstable != full of bugs
If you take uses of the English work stable that do not talk about
On Monday 14 February 2011 15:34:38 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Pidgin and
kopete were complete useless for users of stable (almost more than a
year!!!)
Not if those users ran volatile. I think it took a week or two, but we
eventually got an update.
The backports service provides packages from
On Monday 14 February 2011 15:50:30 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
that is not the point. For myself I am using testing as well. My opinion
and my thoughts are these: using stable (with the premisse things will
not change during the next 2 years except of security issues) is outdated
today.
If you
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:50:30PM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Hi Krzysztof,
that is not the point. For myself I am using testing as well. My opinion and
my thoughts are these: using stable (with the premisse things will not
change during the next 2 years except of security issues) is
Why would you love to upgrade software incrementally all the time??
Its stable/tested, CERTIFIEd to work fine, that's all..
Move to another distro like fedora if you love to upgrade software
incrementally all the time.
kn
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