Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:20:27PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: Quite. It is ALL there. I keep hoping that something will be the basics for beginners (which is where we started on this thread). Teaching notes for college sounded great. Also have a read of this:

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-13 Thread Joe
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:11:29 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:20:27PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: Quite. It is ALL there. I keep hoping that something will be the basics for beginners (which is where we started on this thread). Teaching

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-13 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 13 October 2014 10:11:29 Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:20:27PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: Quite. It is ALL there. I keep hoping that something will be the basics for beginners (which is where we started on this thread). Teaching notes for college sounded

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 11 October 2014 21:27:56 Peter Zoeller wrote: Hi: I might be able to help here as well. I have some teaching notes somewhere when I taught system security at my college. Thanks!! Lisi Peter On 09/10/14 05:03 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2014 21:59:12

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 11 October 2014 22:59:23 Reco wrote: Dear list contributors, On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:27:56 -0400 Peter Zoeller peter_zoel...@rogers.com wrote: Hi: I might be able to help here as well. I have some teaching notes somewhere when I taught system security at my college.

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread Joe
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:20:27 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Quite. It is ALL there. I keep hoping that something will be the basics for beginners (which is where we started on this thread). Teaching notes for college sounded great. You basically have two options, to use a

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 oct 14, 17:18:10, Joe wrote: You basically have two options, to use a firewall tool, or to hack a script yourself. The existing tools, last time I looked, aren't really that versatile, they are intended to make simple firewalls using a GUI. That's reasonable, because once you want

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread songbird
just as a general comment, ufw is workable almost out of the box, it has a gui interface gufw. a while ago i used the arno-iptables- firewall script as that also did what i needed to have done. my problem is that i tend to not do much with things once they are set up and working so

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-11 Thread Peter Zoeller
Hi: I might be able to help here as well. I have some teaching notes somewhere when I taught system security at my college. Peter On 09/10/14 05:03 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2014 21:59:12 Charlie wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:54:48 +0200 lee sent: I still have a very

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Dear list contributors, On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:27:56 -0400 Peter Zoeller peter_zoel...@rogers.com wrote: Hi: I might be able to help here as well. I have some teaching notes somewhere when I taught system security at my college. Peter On 09/10/14 05:03 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-09 Thread Joe
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:08:05 -0700 koanhead koanh...@riseup.net wrote: Any service you're not currently using should be disabled. Any service you won't use should not be installed. Yeah. But ;/ The devil is in the details. Where is a list of services. There's one at /etc/services.

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 05:58:53PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:18:09 +1000 Stuart Longland stua...@longlandclan.yi.org wrote: The hard bit about things like firewalling, is that there is really a minimum technical understanding necessary to do it properly. You've

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-09 Thread Richard Owlett
lee wrote: Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net writes: I'm aware of Securing Debian Manual. I'm looking for more an introductory document. I'm not sure what you're looking for. Unfortunately that makes two of us. But I'm seeing a definition evolve as incoming replies nibble around the edge

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-09 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 02:54:48AM +0200, lee wrote: Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net writes: I'm aware of Securing Debian Manual. I'm looking for more an introductory document. I'm not sure what you're looking for. It's a good idea to have at least a good basic understanding about

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-09 Thread Charlie
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:54:48 +0200 lee sent: I still have a very good tutorial that uses iptables and helps you to learn how to build a firewall. I've archived it for reference in 2003. I could send it to you by email if you like (760kB). I would be very interested in this as well Lee.

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 09 October 2014 21:59:12 Charlie wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:54:48 +0200 lee sent: I still have a very good tutorial that uses iptables and helps you to learn how to build a firewall. I've archived it for reference in 2003. I could send it to you by email if you like (760kB).

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-08 Thread Richard Owlett
koanhead wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm a relatively new convert from Windows to Debian... I'm looking for a reference document that wouldn't scare my friend off Debian and also give me the required information to: 1. close the maximum number of ports. I see

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-08 Thread Stuart Longland
On 09/10/14 00:12, Richard Owlett wrote: koanhead wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm a relatively new convert from Windows to Debian... I'm looking for a reference document that wouldn't scare my friend off Debian and also give me the required information to: 1.

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014, Richard Owlett wrote: Yes. I've a reference somewhere on how to do that. What I was looking for was a document that covers it for someone who likely only has a vague idea of what a packet is. For a basic firewall configuration, the default ferm configuration is almost

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:18:09 +1000 Stuart Longland stua...@longlandclan.yi.org wrote: The hard bit about things like firewalling, is that there is really a minimum technical understanding necessary to do it properly. You've got that right. Years ago, I despaired of ever understanding

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-08 Thread koanhead
On 10/08/2014 07:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: koanhead wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm a relatively new convert from Windows to Debian... I'm looking for a reference document that wouldn't scare my friend off Debian and also give me the required information to...

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-08 Thread lee
Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net writes: I'm aware of Securing Debian Manual. I'm looking for more an introductory document. I'm not sure what you're looking for. It's a good idea to have at least a good basic understanding about how a firewall works before you set one up. From there, you

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 06 oct 14, 06:11:36, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm aware of Securing Debian Manual. I'm looking for more an introductory document. You might want to start documenting this yourself on wiki.debian.org. Feel free to add to FAQsFromDebianUser or create a new page. The content could come form

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-07 Thread koanhead
On 10/06/2014 04:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm a relatively new convert from Windows to Debian... I'm looking for a reference document that wouldn't scare my friend off Debian and also give me the required information to: 1. close the maximum number of ports. I see him using

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-07 Thread Richard Owlett
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 oct 14, 06:11:36, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm aware of Securing Debian Manual. I'm looking for more an introductory document. You might want to start documenting this yourself on wiki.debian.org. I'm halfway doing that already by collecting answers to my

Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Richard Owlett
I'm a relatively new convert from Windows to Debian, although I've been a computer _user_ since the early 60's. I've evidently been talking up Linux enough that a friend is shipping a spare laptop with a request that I install my preferred version. [He is hesitant about his ability to do so

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 10/06/2014 02:11 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm looking for a reference document that wouldn't scare my friend off Debian and also give me the required information to: 1. close the maximum number of ports. I see him using browser, email, ftp file downloading. I don't see him being

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Stuart Longland
On 06/10/14 21:11, Richard Owlett wrote: I intend to set it up as multi-boot: 1. whatever Windows is on it 2. Squeeze LTS with Gnome2 - I like it and believe he will like its human interface. 3. Wheezy with KDE - Wheezy is more uptodate and I suspect would want some KDE specific

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Richard Owlett
Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 10/06/2014 02:11 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm looking for a reference document that wouldn't scare my friend off Debian and also give me the required information to: 1. close the maximum number of ports. I see him using browser, email, ftp file

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Richard Owlett
Stuart Longland wrote: On 06/10/14 21:11, Richard Owlett wrote: I intend to set it up as multi-boot: 1. whatever Windows is on it 2. Squeeze LTS with Gnome2 - I like it and believe he will like its human interface. 3. Wheezy with KDE - Wheezy is more uptodate and I suspect would want

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 06 October 2014 13:38:45 Richard Owlett wrote: Yes, but not for this project. I'm from the CPM-80 era and think default Linux installs are just *TOO* big and want to carry small to possibly an extreme. And you're considering _KDE_?! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Richard Owlett
Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 06 October 2014 13:38:45 Richard Owlett wrote: Yes, but not for this project. I'm from the CPM-80 era and think default Linux installs are just *TOO* big and want to carry small to possibly an extreme. And you're considering _KDE_?! *NOT* for _my_ personal

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:28:11 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 06 October 2014 13:38:45 Richard Owlett wrote: Yes, but not for this project. I'm from the CPM-80 era and think default Linux installs are just *TOO* big and want to carry small to possibly an extreme.

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Stuart Longland
On 06/10/14 22:38, Richard Owlett wrote: 2. Squeeze LTS with Gnome2 - I like it and believe he will like its human interface. 3. Wheezy with KDE - Wheezy is more uptodate and I suspect would want some KDE specific applications. Have you had a look at XFCE? Yes, but not for this

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Alexis
Stuart Longland writes: I can recall once squeezing (desktop) Linux onto a 100MB hard drive. You wouldn't do that reasonably today. As a data point, the Core Project provides a FLTK/FLWM desktop Linux in a 15MB distro, and a 72MB 'CorePlus' distro providing a range of desktops, including