On Friday, March 05, 2021 08:44:26 PM David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 05 Mar 2021 at 14:30:30 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, March 05, 2021 11:56:24 AM David Wright wrote:
> > > On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 15:47:37 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > > If a device is sold on
On Fri 05 Mar 2021 at 14:30:30 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 05, 2021 11:56:24 AM David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 15:47:37 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > If a device is sold on a separate card, it's not necessarily
> > enough to know the model
On Friday, March 05, 2021 11:56:24 AM David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 15:47:37 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> If a device is sold on a separate card, it's not necessarily
> enough to know the model number of the card. Many "identical"
> models are sold with various different
On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 15:47:37 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 04, 2021 12:40:00 PM David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:36:42 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:01:09 PM David Wright wrote:
> > Brian wrote: '"+1" for what?
Brian wrote:
>On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 11:40:00 -0600, David Wright wrote:
>
>> On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:36:42 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > It would be nicer if there was some person or group that tried to vet
>> > them, or
>> > maybe even suggesting that something like a requirement
On Thursday, March 04, 2021 12:40:00 PM David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:36:42 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:01:09 PM David Wright wrote:
> Brian wrote: '"+1" for what? Advertising each and every non-Debian
> installer that comes along and is
On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 11:40:00 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:36:42 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > It would be nicer if there was some person or group that tried to vet them,
> > or
> > maybe even suggesting that something like a requirement that at least one
On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 10:54:14 (+), Leandro neto wrote:
> I volunteer to be [ ] a mirror on Rio de Janeiro Brasil. I build computers
> but I don't know about programming leandro
AIUI we're not talking about mirrors, but about building the software
that might eventually be mirrored.
Cheers,
On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:36:42 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:01:09 PM David Wright wrote:
Brian wrote: '"+1" for what? Advertising each and every non-Debian
installer that comes along and is uploaded to unofficial?'
> > I was under the impression that "The
I volunteer to beca mirror on Rio de Janeiro Brasil. I build computers but I don't know about programming leandro
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Assunto: Re: Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]
De: rhkra...@gmail.com
Enviado em: 3 de março de 2021 12:37
On 2021-03-03, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:01:09 PM David Wright wrote:
>> I was under the impression that "The Debian Images Team is a small
>> team of people working on creating, testing and distributing Debian
>> images for [us]", whereas you seem to be describing
On Wednesday, March 03, 2021 06:15:03 PM Brian wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 03, 2021 03:18:25 PM Brian wrote:
> > A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> > problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
> > with wireless-only connectivity. No obvious
t; https://www.debian.org/distrib/
> >
> > What's the problem?
>
> I thought the problem was as described in this from Brian:
>
> Re: Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]
> From: Brian (resent from debian-user@lists.debian.org)
> To: debian
m was as described in this from Brian:
Re: Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]
From: Brian (resent from debian-user@lists.debian.org)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Fri Feb 26 13:41:40 2021
...
A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
probl
On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:27:42 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 06:29:15 PM Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 16:19:45 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 02:55:08 PM Brian wrote:
> > > > On Mon 01 Mar 2021 at 08:13:13 -0500,
On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 21:01:09 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 23:29:15 (+), Brian wrote:
[...]
> > > > "+1" for what? Advertising each and every non-Debian installer that
> > > > comes along and is uploaded to unofficial?
>
> I was under the impression that "The Debian
On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:01:09 PM David Wright wrote:
> I was under the impression that "The Debian Images Team is a small
> team of people working on creating, testing and distributing Debian
> images for [us]", whereas you seem to be describing something like
> a wiki where any Tom, Dick or
On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 06:29:15 PM Brian wrote:
> On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 16:19:45 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 02:55:08 PM Brian wrote:
> > > On Mon 01 Mar 2021 at 08:13:13 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > No. Providing a reasonable explanatory text
On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 23:29:15 (+), Brian wrote:
> On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 16:19:45 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 02:55:08 PM Brian wrote:
> > > On Mon 01 Mar 2021 at 08:13:13 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:03:31 PM
On 2021-03-02 23:29, Brian wrote:
On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 16:19:45 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 02:55:08 PM Brian wrote:
> On Mon 01 Mar 2021 at 08:13:13 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:03:31 PM Celejar wrote:
> > > "Many
On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 16:19:45 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 02:55:08 PM Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 01 Mar 2021 at 08:13:13 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:03:31 PM Celejar wrote:
> > > > "Many wireless network cards (and even
On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 02:55:08 PM Brian wrote:
> On Mon 01 Mar 2021 at 08:13:13 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:03:31 PM Celejar wrote:
> > > "Many wireless network cards (and even some wired ones) require
> > > non-free firmware to function properly. This
On Mon 01 Mar 2021 at 08:13:13 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:03:31 PM Celejar wrote:
> > "Many wireless network cards (and even some wired ones) require
> > non-free firmware to function properly. This firmware is not included
> > in the standard installation
On Mon 01 Mar 2021 at 11:29:57 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 28 feb 21, 12:03:31, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > Snark aside, what's wrong with something like this:
> >
> > "Many wireless network cards (and even some wired ones) require
> > non-free firmware to function properly. This firmware
On Mon 01 Mar 2021 at 10:23:51 +, David Goodenough wrote:
> How is a naive user meant to know whether his hardware required
> non-free firmware?
That's a very tricky one to give a definitive answer to. It possibly
depends on the quality and quantity of research done by the user.
Howerever,
On Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:03:31 PM Celejar wrote:
> "Many wireless network cards (and even some wired ones) require
> non-free firmware to function properly. This firmware is not included
> in the standard installation images, due to Debian's free software
> ideals. If the network hardware
[Fixed top-posting.]
On Mon, 01 Mar 2021 10:23:51 +
David Goodenough wrote:
> On Monday, 1 March 2021 09:29:57 GMT Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Du, 28 feb 21, 12:03:31, Celejar wrote:
> > > Snark aside, what's wrong with something like this:
> > >
> > > "Many wireless network cards (and
How is a naive user meant to know whether his hardware required non-free
firmware?
The only route that seems to be given by this wording is that they install (or
try to install)
the system using the official image, and then have to work out for themselves
what does
not work, and from that
On Du, 28 feb 21, 12:03:31, Celejar wrote:
>
> Snark aside, what's wrong with something like this:
>
> "Many wireless network cards (and even some wired ones) require
> non-free firmware to function properly. This firmware is not included
> in the standard installation images, due to Debian's
On Sun 28 Feb 2021 at 14:27:24 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 19:11:51 +
> Brian wrote:
>
> > On Sun 28 Feb 2021 at 12:03:31 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:49:58 +
> > > Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 16:28:56 -0500, Dan Ritter
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 19:11:51 +
Brian wrote:
> On Sun 28 Feb 2021 at 12:03:31 -0500, Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:49:58 +
> > Brian wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 16:28:56 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > >
> > > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 26,
On Sun 28 Feb 2021 at 12:03:31 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:49:58 +
> Brian wrote:
>
> > On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 16:28:56 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > >
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:49:58 +
Brian wrote:
> On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 16:28:56 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
>
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:41:40 +
Brian wrote:
...
> A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
> with wireless-only connectivity. No obvious escape route is
> advertised. Yes, I know - if a site search is
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:49:58PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 16:28:56 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page.
On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 16:28:56 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> > > problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> > problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
> > with wireless-only connectivity. No obvious escape route is
>
On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 21:15:31 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> > problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
> > with wireless-only
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
[...]
> A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
> with wireless-only connectivity. No obvious escape route is
> advertised. Yes, I know - if a site
On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 13:59:38 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 02:08:26PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Jo, 25 feb 21, 11:53:18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > >
> > > No worries. Things happen -- and in this case you happened to step
> > > onto a sticky issue which
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 02:08:26PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 25 feb 21, 11:53:18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > No worries. Things happen -- and in this case you happened to step
> > onto a sticky issue which has no "nice" solution. The two extremes
> >
> > (a) Debian should be a
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