Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/27/12, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 11/26/2012 11:51 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: The problem with proprietary drivers is of course that they're proprietary, but on top of that, they aren't as hassle-free to install and update. 1. Proprietary drivers are generally written by

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-27 Thread Morel Bérenger
1. Proprietary drivers are generally written by the folks who know the product the best, and so have the best chance of working without bugs. Obvious. But some free drivers are also made by people which know the hardware, when it's specifications are free. 2. Unless you intend to modify the

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-27 Thread green
Doug wrote at 2012-11-27 00:15 -0600: 1. Proprietary drivers are generally written by the folks who know the product the best, and so have the best chance of working without bugs. 5. If it works when you install it, there should be no reason *ever* to update it. If it ain't broke, don't fix

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
The problem with proprietary drivers is of course that they're proprietary, but on top of that, they aren't as hassle-free to install and update. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-26 Thread Doug
On 11/26/2012 11:51 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: The problem with proprietary drivers is of course that they're proprietary, but on top of that, they aren't as hassle-free to install and update. Stefan 1. Proprietary drivers are generally written by the folks who know the product the

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-24 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:02:42AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/24/12, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 23 nov 12, 07:25:29, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Thinkpad. Avoid ATI graphics if possible. Why? I've had

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-24 Thread Gary Roach
On 11/24/2012 05:06 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:02:42AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/24/12, Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 23 nov 12, 07:25:29, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 12 nov 12, 12:21:30, Thomas H. George wrote: My backup desktop died and I am thinking of replacing it with a laptop. I am not a gamer but a bit more than a routine user, i.e. occasionally use big programs and am interested in experimenting with Blender. I want to stick with Debian and

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-23 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 12 nov 12, 12:21:30, Thomas H. George wrote: My backup desktop died and I am thinking of replacing it with a laptop. I am not a gamer but a bit more than a routine user, i.e. occasionally use big programs and am interested in

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.comwrote: Thinkpad. Avoid ATI graphics if possible. I think you spelled nVidia wrong. http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 23 nov 12, 07:25:29, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Thinkpad. Avoid ATI graphics if possible. Why? The free driver seems to be good, but low performance. I've had issues with the non-free driver. If you don't care about performance Intel

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-23 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/24/12, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 23 nov 12, 07:25:29, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Thinkpad. Avoid ATI graphics if possible. Why? The free driver seems to be good, but low performance. I've had issues with the

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 11:02 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/24/12, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 23 nov 12, 07:25:29, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Thinkpad. Avoid ATI graphics if possible. Why? The free

OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-12 Thread Thomas H. George
My backup desktop died and I am thinking of replacing it with a laptop. I am not a gamer but a bit more than a routine user, i.e. occasionally use big programs and am interested in experimenting with Blender. I want to stick with Debian and have no need of Window$. Touch screen is not essential

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-12 Thread Lars Noodén
On 11/12/12, Thomas H. George li...@tomgeorge.info wrote: My backup desktop died and I am thinking of replacing it with a laptop. I am not a gamer but a bit more than a routine user, i.e. occasionally use big programs and am interested in experimenting with Blender. I want to stick with

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 08:43:25PM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: One thing to think about is placement of the ctrl key. It gets used a lot, especially when editing. So it's placement is of great importance ergonomically. Only if you use emacs, if you use vim, for example, it hardly gets used at

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-12 Thread Doug
On 11/12/2012 06:18 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 08:43:25PM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: One thing to think about is placement of the ctrl key. It gets used a lot, especially when editing. So it's placement is of great importance ergonomically. Only if you use emacs, if

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
I run a Lenovo ThinkPad, but I repair Dells for a living. I just have to wonder what the heck Dell was thinking having Fn and Ctrl in opposite of correct order... On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Kushal Kumaran kushal.kumaran+deb...@gmail.com wrote: Lars Noodén lars.noo...@gmail.com writes:

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-12 Thread Doug
On 11/12/2012 11:45 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I run a Lenovo ThinkPad, but I repair Dells for a living. I just have to wonder what the heck Dell was thinking having Fn and Ctrl in opposite of correct order... /snip/ Must be a newer Dell. My Dell laptop has the left CTRL key at the far left