Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 04:11:09PM +0800, Robert Roach wrote: I was wondering about that too. Went to local book store and found a good book on both PGP and GPG:

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-05 Thread John L Fjellstad
Seth Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: S/MIME was intended to work with a certification authority (CA) model based on a small number of universally trusted root CA's, while PGP assumed a distributed web of trust model based on personal relationships between individual users. There's no

RE: GPG and Signing

2007-04-05 Thread Seth Goodman
John L Fjellstad wrote on Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:43 AM -0500: Seth Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Instead, they built native S/MIME support into their MUA's, built a certificate store into their operating system and bought VeriSign. Couple of points. There are lots of stuff MS

RE: GPG and Signing

2007-04-04 Thread Seth Goodman
John L Fjellstad wrote on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:58 PM -0500: The reason you and people who use OE see it as an attachment is because MS is unable to implement an 11 years old standard. This page (http://www.imc.org/smime-pgpmime.html) has a discussion about the different standards

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-03 Thread John L Fjellstad
John Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While we're still on this, why do most of your (Debian-users-who-sign) emails show up in OE with the signature and the email text as attachments? It seems whether I use GPG or a Thawte cert, they still don't show up as attachments. Are you doing

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:54:27AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/01/07 10:29, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:05:07 -0500 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello John, ID is a slippery concept. What does

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread Chris Lale
Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: P.S. I am testing the autosign option for mutt right now ;) Also, is there some way to set it so I can still send mail unsigned? I've heard

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread Jim Hyslop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: Now I'm afraid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party Why are you afraid? - -- Jim Hyslop Dreampossible: Better software. Simply. http://www.dreampossible.ca Consulting * Mentoring * Training

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:33:08AM -0400, Jim Hyslop wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Now I'm afraid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party Why are you afraid? That picture just frightened me[0], but I was only kidding. It was the

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: An ATM machine's threshold of trust in identity is account number and PIN. That is authentication, not identification. Meat sack tellers (who don't recognize you) want to verify your signature with a Government Issued ID Card. A mistake. The teller should authenticate

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Robert Roach
Jim Hyslop wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: Michael Pobega escribió: [...] What are the advantages to having it? You can be sure that the person is who says it is. We that's a pretty big simplification.

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. Which makes me wonder, how is anyone to establish such a web of trust in this community?

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:26:54AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. Which makes me wonder,

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:26:54 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Andrei, P.S. I just setup Claws-Mail to use signing a few days ago. This thread looks like a good opportunity to start using it here. All set up nicely, then. Your public key imported, and everything works. What

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:26:54AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. Which makes me wonder,

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:26:54AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that claims to have sent the email

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 02:24:39PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:26:54AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web of trust, you

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. Which makes me wonder, how

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Jochen Schulz
Michael Pobega: I got this for your mail: [-- PGP output follows (current time: Sun 01 Apr 2007 08:09:36 AM EDT) --] gpg: Signature made Sun 01 Apr 2007 04:27:11 AM EDT using DSA key ID 70859BD9 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found [-- End of PGP output --] This means that

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:37:11 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Not all of the GPG keys are verifying, Andrei's still isn't but others are. Andrei's GPG sig verifies here. Is there any way to verify individual keys? Make sure you have got his key imported with;

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kent West
Joe Hart wrote: Now you can send me encrypted mail (if you have my public key)! Whoopie! Like you really need to. It's been suggested that you should use encryption whenever possible as standard procedure; otherwise, when you need to send an encrypted message and do so, it catches the

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 01:42:47PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:37:11 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Not all of the GPG keys are verifying, Andrei's still isn't but others are. Andrei's GPG sig verifies here. Is there any way to

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:37:11 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Not all of the GPG keys are verifying, Andrei's still isn't but others are. Andrei's GPG sig verifies here. Is there any way to

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kent West wrote: Joe Hart wrote: Now you can send me encrypted mail (if you have my public key)! Whoopie! Like you really need to. It's been suggested that you should use encryption whenever possible as standard procedure; otherwise, when you

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:35:19 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, gpg: Good signature from Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! [snip] Looks like it should work to me; 70859BD9 is the same ID, no? Yes,

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:03:24 + Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Joe, Hmm, that's an interesting observation. I didn't think of that. Of course, most of the people I communicate with via e-mail don't use PGP so I can't send them encrypted mail. You can *send* it them. They're

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:03:24 + Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Joe, Hmm, that's an interesting observation. I didn't think of that. Of course, most of the people I communicate with via e-mail don't use PGP so

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Brad Rogers writes: Yes, you've got the right key, and it *has* verified. However, since Andrei's key is not included in your web-of-trust, GPG gives the warning. A valid signature != a trusted signature. Such signatures can serve a useful purpose, though. You may not have a trust path to

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:48:54 + Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Joe, You can *send* it them. They're unlikely to be able to *read* it, though. :-) LOL. You've got that right. It's the pedant in me. Since various governments stopped trying to prosecute Phil Zimmerman,

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: I can't figure out how to set it up. The articles mention only talk about PGP, not GPG. Here are the changes (actually additions) I made, everything else works out of the box: ~/.muttrc # auto sign outgoing set

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Brad Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:03:24 + Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Joe, Hmm, that's an interesting observation. I didn't think of that. Of course, most of the people I communicate with via e-mail don't use PGP so I can't send them

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:05:07 -0500 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello John, ID is a slippery concept. What does it mean to know who someone is? Indeed. However, with some sort of photo ID, such as passport of driving license, and knowledge of the relevant key fingerprint, it's

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:30:38 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Andrei, You can *send* it them. They're unlikely to be able to *read* it, though. :-) Well IIUC you can only encrypt to self (because they don't have a public key) which is supposed to be unreadable. You

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu escribió: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. Which makes me wonder,

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 10:29, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:05:07 -0500 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello John, ID is a slippery concept. What does it mean to know who someone is? Indeed. However, with some sort of photo ID,

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 10:23, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:48:54 + Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Joe, You can *send* it them. They're unlikely to be able to *read* it, though. :-) LOL. You've got that right. It's the

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu escribió: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that claims to have sent

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Marko Randjelovic
P.S. I just setup Claws-Mail to use signing a few days ago. This thread looks like a good opportunity to start using it here. Yep, and I noticed that that message was the first one you signed. Now your public key is in my keyring :). Now you can send me encrypted mail (if you have my

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:19:40 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu escribió: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages to having it?

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:19:40 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Andrei, This is the theory ;) But how can I, in Romania, get my key signed by at least one of the regular users of this list? I'll have a look to It does become problematic, that's for sure. The best many of us

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:06:57 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ron, [SELinux] Since the source code is open for all to see, every kernel hacker with a bit of paranoia has pored over SELinux with a sub-micron comb. They've found nothing. I don't read source code. Primarily

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:54:27 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ron, A couple of years ago there was a very long thread on what it means All before my time on the list. If I have time, I might read through it via the archives. to trust. The bottom line was that you can't

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu escribió: Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu escribió: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web of

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marko Randjelovic wrote: P.S. I just setup Claws-Mail to use signing a few days ago. This thread looks like a good opportunity to start using it here. Yep, and I noticed that that message was the first one you signed. Now your public key is in my

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Andrei writes: This is the theory ;) But how can I, in Romania, get my key signed by at least one of the regular users of this list? I'll have a look to see if there are any DDs from Romania or at least Vienna. I can imagine the web is well established between the DDs. There is a web of trust

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 19:19 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There're KSP (Keysigning party) where ID's are checked and keys are signed for another keys, that raises the web of trust. This is the theory ;) But how can I, in Romania, get my key

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Brad Rogers writes: However, with some sort of photo ID, such as passport of driving license, and knowledge of the relevant key fingerprint, it's possible to be fairly sure you're dealing with the person that created the public key. For many purposes (guaranteeing that bank account withdrawals

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: A couple of years ago there was a very long thread on what it means to trust. The bottom line was that you can't perfectly know, and that all you can do is your best at verifying his identity, and then have faith. Again I have to ask, what is identity? That is not a

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Brad Rogers writes: As said in interviews with ordinary people that knew the various criminals that achieve notoriety; He was always such a *nice* polite man. Well obviously, because to be otherwise might arouse suspicion. In the phrase web of trust the word trust does not have quite the same

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Joe Hart writes: I also have serious doubts over the real security benefits of SELinux specifically because it was developed by the NSA. It is not rational that they would design a security system that they could not access, and then release it to the public. Only if you have a very naive

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: I can't figure out how to set it up. The articles mention only talk about PGP, not GPG. Here are the changes (actually additions) I made, everything else works

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: P.S. I am testing the autosign option for mutt right now ;) Also, is there some way to set it so I can still send mail unsigned? I've heard that GPG keys give

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Hasler wrote: Joe Hart writes: I also have serious doubts over the real security benefits of SELinux specifically because it was developed by the NSA. It is not rational that they would design a security system that they could not access,

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: I can't figure out how to set it up. The articles mention only talk about PGP, not GPG. Here

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:53:11 -0500 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello John, In the phrase web of trust the word trust does not have quite the same meaning as it does in everyday conversation. Very true. Outside PGP users though, the difference in meaning would be lost though, I'm

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:42:42 +0200 Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Sven, There's actually a coordinated effort for this sort of thing, check https://nm.debian.org/gpg.php and specifically the list of key signing offers. You can also register for a signing request. Here, at

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:42:33 -0500 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello John, What is a real ID? Does it ever actually matter? One of the reasons I put the word real in quotes was because it's difficult to quantify. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:30:19 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Also, is there some way to set it so I can still send mail unsigned? I don't know how to do it in Mutt, but for ease, I created a duplicate account in Claws-Mail that doesn't sign emails. Each list I'm

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Hart wrote: John Hasler wrote: Joe Hart writes: I also have serious doubts over the real security benefits of SELinux specifically because it was developed by the NSA. It is not rational that they would design a security system that they

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 14:30 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: Also, is there some way to set it so I can still send mail unsigned? I've heard that GPG keys give trouble to M$ clients, and most of my family uses Outlook. You should be able to switch between encrypt, sign, and unsigned somewhere. I

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: P.S. I am testing the autosign option for mutt right now ;) Also, is there some way to set it so I can still send

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Frank McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:42:47 +0100 Brad Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: application/pgp-signature (No public key to verify the signature)] Signature made at Sun 01 Apr 2007 08:42:47 AM EDT No public key to verify the signature Key fingerprint:

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:09:58PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: P.S. I am testing the autosign option for mutt

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's actually a coordinated effort for this sort of thing, check https://nm.debian.org/gpg.php and specifically the list of key signing offers. You can also register for a signing request. I see one DD from Romania, and several from Vienna on the

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 02:30:19PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: P.S. I am testing the autosign option for mutt right now ;) Also, is there some way to set it

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:09:58PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:58:33PM +, Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Hart wrote: John Hasler wrote: Joe Hart writes: I also have serious doubts over the real security benefits of SELinux specifically because it was developed by the NSA. It is

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:19:40PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu escribió: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages to having it? Using a web

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Robert Roach wrote: Jim Hyslop wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: Michael Pobega escribió: [...] What are the advantages to having it? You can be sure that the person is who says it is. We that's a pretty

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Joe Hart writes: My doubts of the NSA mostly come from watching too many conspiracy theory [movies]... There may be worse sources if information, but I can think of few. The phrase in the interest of National Security has been and can be used to cover up just about anything, and the NSA is

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Brad Rogers writes: Here, at least, using that link with Firefox, I get a warning about the certificate being unrecognised. Yes, because Debian has not paid Verisign for one of their utterly worthless certificates. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: [snip] Michael, Wikipedia has a reasonably concise overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy I was wondering about that too. Went to local book store and found a good book on both PGP and GPG:

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 12:49, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: A couple of years ago there was a very long thread on what it means to trust. The bottom line was that you can't perfectly know, and that all you can do is your best at verifying his

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: Again I have to ask, what is identity? That is not a flippant question. Think about it. Ron Johnson writes: In the metaphysical sense or the practical sense? Practical, but not commonsense. Does your bank need to know who you really are in order to safely let you withdraw money

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:43:48 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] No local bookstores here :-( I'm still waiting for a *well written plain English* description of PGP/GPG. ... The message recipient uses the sender's public key and the digital signature to recover the

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 17:24, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: Again I have to ask, what is identity? That is not a flippant question. Think about it. Ron Johnson writes: In the metaphysical sense or the practical sense? Practical, but not commonsense.

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:54:27AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/01/07 10:29, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:05:07 -0500 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello John, ID is a slippery concept. What does it mean to know who someone is? Indeed. However, with

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Michael Pobega writes: Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, or is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them at say Debconf or something similar? Depends on what you mean by verify. There is nothing wrong with downloading their public keys and using

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael Pobega writes: Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, or is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them at say Debconf or something similar? Depends on what you mean by verify.

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Fleming
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael Pobega writes: Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, or is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them at say Debconf or something similar? Depends on what you mean by verify.

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:50:02PM -0400, John Fleming wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael Pobega writes: Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, or is it better to wait

RE: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Seth Goodman
Michael Pobega wrote on Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:32 PM -0500: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael Pobega writes: Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, or is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them at say

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread cga2000
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:32:19PM EDT, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael Pobega writes: Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, or is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them at say Debconf

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:16:10PM -0400, cga2000 wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:32:19PM EDT, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael Pobega writes: Is it a bad practice to verify

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 20:59, Seth Goodman wrote: [snip] trust. The more signatures on your public key, the more likely it is that a random third party knows either someone who signed your key, or knows someone who knows someone who signed your key, etc. As

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-03-31 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega escribió: I noticed a lot of people on this mailing list have GPG enabled in their emails, and now that I've seen it enough I'm wondering a few things; What exactly does GPG/GnuPG do? Sign and/or encrypt things What are the

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-03-31 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/07 21:30, Michael Pobega wrote: I noticed a lot of people on this mailing list have GPG enabled in their emails, and now that I've seen it enough I'm wondering a few things; What exactly does GPG/GnuPG do? Digitally signs and or

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-03-31 Thread Jim Hyslop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: Michael Pobega escribió: [...] What are the advantages to having it? You can be sure that the person is who says it is. We that's a pretty big simplification. It is possible to do that, but you must

Re: gpg key signing protocol question

2002-11-08 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:22:40PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.11.07.1327 -0500]: If I don't though, gpg won't go look it up. Is this normal? Anyone know the fix for this? I've poked around and prodded the options in my muttrc and

Re: gpg key signing protocol question

2002-11-08 Thread Michelle Storm
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 06:32:01PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:22:40PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.11.07.1327 -0500]: If I don't though, gpg won't go look it up. Is this normal? Anyone know the fix for this?

Re: gpg key signing protocol question

2002-11-07 Thread Stephen Gran
hey all, so last night at the LISA 2002 conference in philly there was quite a nice keysigning get-together, at which i exchanged something like a dozen or two keys with other folks. now previously, when i had signed keys with close friends, we'd just end up doing a bunch of gpg

Re: gpg key signing protocol question

2002-11-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.11.07.1134 -0500]: so last night at the LISA 2002 conference in philly there was quite a nice keysigning get-together, at which i exchanged something like a dozen or two keys with other folks. now previously, when i had signed keys with close

Re: gpg key signing protocol question

2002-11-07 Thread Robert L. Harris
. Robert Thus spake martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:01:06 -0500 From: martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: gpg key signing protocol question Organization: Debian GNU/Linux X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive/latest

Re: gpg key signing protocol question

2002-11-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.11.07.1327 -0500]: If I don't though, gpg won't go look it up. Is this normal? Anyone know the fix for this? I've poked around and prodded the options in my muttrc and no-luck. It's not just Martin, anyone who's ID I don't have on my

Re: gpg key signing protocol question

2002-11-07 Thread Robert L. Harris
Bingo, but had to move .gnupg/options to .gnupg/gpg.conf of course. Thanks. Thus spake martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:22:40 -0500 From: martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: gpg key signing protocol question Organization

Re: gpg key signing protocol question

2002-11-07 Thread Brian Nelson
sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hey all, so last night at the LISA 2002 conference in philly there was quite a nice keysigning get-together, at which i exchanged something like a dozen or two keys with other folks. now previously, when i had signed keys with close friends, we'd just

Re: gpg key signing protocol question

2002-11-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 01:27:46PM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote: If I don't though, gpg won't go look it up. Is this normal? Anyone know the fix for this? I've poked around and prodded the options in my muttrc and no-luck. It's not just Martin, anyone who's ID I don't have on my ring

Re: GPG/PGP signing

2002-11-05 Thread Robert L. Harris
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPG/PGP signing Organization: Central Services - We do the work, you do the pleasure. X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive/latest/242794 Hi, * Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-11-02 00:19]: On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 00:08:08 +0100, Thorsten Haude

Re: GPG/PGP signing

2002-11-01 Thread Robert Waldner
please don't sign your mails unless your keys are on the keyservers. Which keyservers would that be, then? Which keep in sync with which? keyserver the.earth.li I've never ever heard of the.earth.li before, for example. Does it sync with something sensible (like keyserver.net)? Or do

Re: GPG/PGP signing

2002-11-01 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-11-01 19:49]: please don't sign your mails unless your keys are on the keyservers. Which keyservers would that be, then? Which keep in sync with which? *.pgp.net Thorsten -- The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications shall be

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