Re: Why isn't the "whois" package (Priority: standard) installed by default?

2024-06-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2024-06-13 22:15:05 +0200, Javier Barroso wrote: > Hello, > > El jue., 13 jun. 2024 20:48, Vincent Lefevre escribió: > > > On 2024-06-13 14:43:25 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 07:57:59PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > The "whois" package has "Priority:

Re: Why isn't the "whois" package (Priority: standard) installed by default?

2024-06-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2024-06-13 14:43:25 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 07:57:59PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > The "whois" package has "Priority: standard". > > hobbit:~$ apt-cache show whois | grep Priority > Priority: optional qaa:~> apt-cache show whois | grep Priority Priority:

Re: Why isn't the "whois" package (Priority: standard) installed by default?

2024-06-13 Thread Javier Barroso
Hello, El jue., 13 jun. 2024 20:48, Vincent Lefevre escribió: > On 2024-06-13 14:43:25 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 07:57:59PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > The "whois" package has "Priority: standard". > > > > hobbit:~$ apt-cache show whois | grep Priority > >

Re: Why isn't the "whois" package (Priority: standard) installed by default?

2024-06-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 07:57:59PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > The "whois" package has "Priority: standard". hobbit:~$ apt-cache show whois | grep Priority Priority: optional

Re: Why LVM

2024-04-09 Thread David Christensen
On 4/8/24 16:54, Stefan Monnier wrote: If I have a hot-pluggable device (SD card, USB drive, hot-plug SATA/SAS drive and rack, etc.), can I put LVM on it such that when the device is connected to a Debian system with a graphical desktop (I use Xfce) an icon is displayed on the desktop that I can

Re: Why LVM

2024-04-08 Thread Stefan Monnier
> If I have a hot-pluggable device (SD card, USB drive, hot-plug SATA/SAS > drive and rack, etc.), can I put LVM on it such that when the device is > connected to a Debian system with a graphical desktop (I use Xfce) an icon > is displayed on the desktop that I can interact with to display the

Re: Why LVM

2024-04-08 Thread David Christensen
On 4/8/24 14:08, Stefan Monnier wrote: David Christensen [2024-04-08 11:28:04] wrote: Why LVM? Personally, I've been using LVM everywhere I can (i.e. everywhere except on my OpenWRT router, tho I've also used LVM there back when my router had an HDD. I also use LVM on my 2GB USB rescue

Re: Why LVM (was: HDD long-term data storage with ensured integrity)

2024-04-08 Thread DdB
Am 08.04.2024 um 23:08 schrieb Stefan Monnier: > David Christensen [2024-04-08 11:28:04] wrote: >> Why LVM? > > Personally, I've been using LVM everywhere I can (i.e. everywhere > except on my OpenWRT router, tho I've also used LVM there back when my > router had an HDD. I also use LVM on my 2GB

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-18 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I would imagine that it's due to the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) > > which defines what the various directories on a "typical Linux system" are > > for. "man hier", for example, tells me that: > > > > * /var/cache - Data

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-18 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I would imagine that it's due to the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) > which defines what the various directories on a "typical Linux system" are > for. "man hier", for example, tells me that: > > * /var/cache - Data cached for programs. > > * /var/lib - Variable state information for

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-18 Thread Darac Marjal
On 16/12/2023 15:59, Stefan Monnier wrote: AFAICT, all of `/var/lib/apt/lists` is made of files fetched from repositories, which APT will re-fetch if missing. So, it sounds to me like it belongs in `/var/cache/apt/lists`, really. What am I missing? Or is it just a historical accident?

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-17 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> That was a typo. it's `/var/cache/plocate/plocate.db`, sorry. > My plocate.db is in /var/lib/plocate/, as is bookworm's. > Is that changing in the future? Hmm... I could swear that I saw it in /var/cache but every machine I look at has it in /var/lib, indeed. [ GNU locate puts its DB in

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-17 Thread David Wright
On Sun 17 Dec 2023 at 15:33:30 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> That seems similar to things like `locate` failing if you remove > >> `/var/log/plocate/plocate.db` (until that DB is rebuilt). > > > > It's tricky to discern your point as /var/log/ is not involved. > > That was a typo. it's

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-17 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> That seems similar to things like `locate` failing if you remove >> `/var/log/plocate/plocate.db` (until that DB is rebuilt). > > It's tricky to discern your point as /var/log/ is not involved. That was a typo. it's `/var/cache/plocate/plocate.db`, sorry. Stefan

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-17 Thread David Wright
On Sun 17 Dec 2023 at 01:06:28 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Some packages will stay the same for years, but in the past week > > I can see four occasions when changes in list contents have occurred > > on oldstable. So there's little similarity. > > The question is not really whether

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Some packages will stay the same for years, but in the past week > I can see four occasions when changes in list contents have occurred > on oldstable. So there's little similarity. The question is not really whether "apt/lists" is similar to "apt/archives", but whether the content of

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-16 Thread David Wright
On Sat 16 Dec 2023 at 12:50:51 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > David Wright [2023-12-16 11:30:01] wrote: > > On Sat 16 Dec 2023 at 10:59:48 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> AFAICT, all of `/var/lib/apt/lists` is made of files fetched from > >> repositories, which APT will re-fetch if missing.

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
Max Nikulin [2023-12-17 09:10:29] wrote: > On 16/12/2023 22:59, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> AFAICT, all of `/var/lib/apt/lists` is made of files fetched from >> repositories, which APT will re-fetch if missing. >> So, it sounds to me like it belongs in `/var/cache/apt/lists`, really. > APT running by

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-16 Thread Max Nikulin
On 16/12/2023 22:59, Stefan Monnier wrote: AFAICT, all of `/var/lib/apt/lists` is made of files fetched from repositories, which APT will re-fetch if missing. So, it sounds to me like it belongs in `/var/cache/apt/lists`, really. APT running by a regular user is unable to write to

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
David Wright [2023-12-16 11:30:01] wrote: > On Sat 16 Dec 2023 at 10:59:48 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: >> AFAICT, all of `/var/lib/apt/lists` is made of files fetched from >> repositories, which APT will re-fetch if missing. >> So, it sounds to me like it belongs in `/var/cache/apt/lists`,

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

2023-12-16 Thread David Wright
On Sat 16 Dec 2023 at 10:59:48 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > AFAICT, all of `/var/lib/apt/lists` is made of files fetched from > repositories, which APT will re-fetch if missing. > So, it sounds to me like it belongs in `/var/cache/apt/lists`, really. > What am I missing? Or is it just a

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 12/11/23, Greg Wooledge wrote: > 1) Many implementations of echo will interpret parts of their argument(s), >in addition to processing options like -n. If you want to print a >variable's contents to standard output without *any* interpretation, >use printf. > > printf %s

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread debian-user
Albretch Mueller wrote: > echo "abc123" > file.txt > ftype=$(file --brief file.txt) > echo "// __ \$ftype: |${ftype}|" > ftypelen=${#ftype} > echo "// __ \$ftypelen: |${ftypelen}|" > > # removing spaces ... > ftype2=$(echo "${ftype}" | tr --complement --squeeze-repeats > '[A-Za-z0-9.]' '_'); >

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 09:55:54AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] Greg, your analyses are always impressive. And enjoyable. Thanks for this cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:00:49PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > Ach, yes! I forgot echo by default appends a new line character at > the end of every string it spits out. In order to suppress it you need > to use the "n" option: "echo -n ..." > > _FL_TYPE=" abc á é í ó ú ü ñ Á É Í Ó Ú Ü Ñ

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread Max Nikulin
On 11/12/2023 21:00, Albretch Mueller wrote: // __ $_FL_TYPE: |abc á é í ó ú ü ñ Á É Í Ó Ú Ü Ñ 123 birdiehere ¿ ¡ § ASCII ä ö ü ß Ä Ö Ü Text| // __ $_FL_TYPE:|abc_123_birdie_here_ASCII_Text| https://pypi.org/project/Unidecode/ should be more friendly to languages other than English.

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread Albretch Mueller
Ach, yes! I forgot echo by default appends a new line character at the end of every string it spits out. In order to suppress it you need to use the "n" option: "echo -n ..." _FL_TYPE=" abc á é í ó ú ü ñ Á É Í Ó Ú Ü Ñ 123 birdiehere ¿ ¡ § ASCII ä ö ü ß Ä Ö Ü Text" echo "// __

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:11:46PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 07:42:10AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Looks like GNU tr in Debian 12 still doesn't handle multibyte characters > > correctly: > > > > unicorn:~$ echo 'mañana' | tr ñ X > > maXXana > > Hey,

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 07:42:10AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 09:37:42AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > 2. This is tr, not regexp, so '[A-Za-z0-9.]' isn't doing what you > >think it does. It will match '[', 'A' to 'Z', 'a' to 'z','.' and > >']'. I guess you

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 09:37:42AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > 2. This is tr, not regexp, so '[A-Za-z0-9.]' isn't doing what you >think it does. It will match '[', 'A' to 'Z', 'a' to 'z','.' and >']'. I guess you want to say 'A-Za-z0-9.' Well spotted. > 3. As a convenience, tr has

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:25:13AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > In the case of: "ASCII text" > what should come out of it is: "ASCII_text" > not: "ASCII_text_" > no underscore at the end. That is the question I have. OK, here's my guess. The lines of code that you showed us are not

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:25:13AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." makes sure that the replaced > characters only appear once (that it doesn't immediately repeat). Say > you have something like " " (two spaces) or "?$|" (three characters) > which will be

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread Albretch Mueller
"tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." makes sure that the replaced characters only appear once (that it doesn't immediately repeat). Say you have something like " " (two spaces) or "?$|" (three characters) which will be replaced by just an underscore. In the case of: "ASCII text" what should

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 08:04:06AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > On 12/11/23, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Please tell us ... > > OK, here is what I did as a t-table [...] Your style is confusing, to say the least. Why not play with minimal examples and work your way up from that? > the two

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-11 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 12/11/23, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Please tell us ... OK, here is what I did as a t-table echo "abc123" > file.txt # obvious text file ftype=$(file --brief file.txt) # got its type as reported by the "file" utility echo "// __ \$ftype: |${ftype}|" ftypelen=${#ftype} # length of the string

Re: why would "tr --complement --squeeze-repeats ..." append the substitution char once more? ...

2023-12-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:53:07AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > echo "abc123" > file.txt > ftype=$(file --brief file.txt) > echo "// __ \$ftype: |${ftype}|" > ftypelen=${#ftype} > echo "// __ \$ftypelen: |${ftypelen}|" > > # removing spaces ... > ftype2=$(echo "${ftype}" | tr --complement

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-20 Thread David Wright
On Mon 20 Nov 2023 at 11:12:03 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-11-18 23:43:34 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 23:33:59 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2023-11-18 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > The "6.1.0-" part comes from the upstream release

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-20 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-18 23:43:34 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 23:33:59 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-11-18 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > The "6.1.0-" part comes from the upstream release series. All the > > > kernel images containing "6.1.0-" in this section

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-18 Thread David Wright
On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 23:24:25 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-11-18 00:20:25 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 13:30:32 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2023-11-16 14:04:29 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-18 Thread David Wright
On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 23:33:59 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-11-18 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > The "6.1.0-" part comes from the upstream release series. All the > > kernel images containing "6.1.0-" in this section should come from the > > same upstream series (6.1.x),

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-18 Thread David Wright
On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 15:29:51 (+0100), steve wrote: > Le 18-11-2023, à 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge a écrit : > > On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 12:24:30AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 14:07:54 (+), Tixy wrote: > > > > At time of writing, that depended on package in stable

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-18 Thread Tim Woodall
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023, Vincent Lefevre wrote: To my surprise, reportbug asks me to use bullseye-backports (= oldstable-backports) on my bookworm (= stable) machine: Your version (6.1.55-1) of linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64 appears to be out of date. The following newer release(s) are available in

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-18 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > The "6.1.0-" part comes from the upstream release series. All the > kernel images containing "6.1.0-" in this section should come from the > same upstream series (6.1.x), and should have basically the same feature > set, with no major changes.

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-18 00:20:25 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 13:30:32 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-11-16 14:04:29 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > In any case, if a package is renamed (which

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-18 Thread steve
Thanks Greg for the precise explanation. I would suggest to put it in the Debian Wiki for futur reference. Le 18-11-2023, à 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge a écrit : On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 12:24:30AM -0600, David Wright wrote: On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 14:07:54 (+), Tixy wrote: > At time of

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 12:24:30AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 14:07:54 (+), Tixy wrote: > > At time of writing, that depended on package in stable is called > > 'linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64' and the version of that package is > > '6.1.55-1'. This is the kernel installed

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-17 Thread David Wright
On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 14:07:54 (+), Tixy wrote: > On Thu, 2023-11-16 at 14:04 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2023-11-15 13:54:51 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-17 Thread David Wright
On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 13:30:32 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-11-16 14:04:29 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > In any case, if a package is renamed (which particularly applies to > > > unstable, I don't know about

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-17 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2023-11-16 at 14:04 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-11-15 13:54:51 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +, Tixy wrote: > > >

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-17 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-16 14:04:29 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > In any case, if a package is renamed (which particularly applies to > > unstable, I don't know about backports), I would expect reportbug > > to also consider the new name for a

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-16 Thread David Wright
On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-11-15 13:54:51 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +, Tixy wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: >

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-16 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-15 13:54:51 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +, Tixy wrote: > > > On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: [...] > > > > But the bookworm-backports kernel is even newer. > > > > So

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-16 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-15 13:54:51 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +, Tixy wrote: > > > On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > On 2023-11-15 16:39:15 -, Curt wrote: > > > > > On

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-15 Thread David Wright
On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +, Tixy wrote: > > On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2023-11-15 16:39:15 -, Curt wrote: > > > > On 2023-11-14, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The base

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +, Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-11-15 16:39:15 -, Curt wrote: > > > On 2023-11-14, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > > > > > The base number is the same, but I would have thought that this other > > > > kernel

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-15 Thread Tixy
On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-11-15 16:39:15 -, Curt wrote: > > On 2023-11-14, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > > > The base number is the same, but I would have thought that this other > > > kernel might have additional patches. > > > > > > > That's why

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-15 16:39:15 -, Curt wrote: > On 2023-11-14, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > The base number is the same, but I would have thought that this other > > kernel might have additional patches. > > > >> That's why I suggested ignoring the message. > > > > Then why does reportbug mention

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-15 08:50:50 +0100, didier gaumet wrote: > I don't know why particularly a Bullseye-backports kernel is promoted here > in a mixed stable/unstable context but perhaps (I have not tested it) you > could set check-available to 0 in /etc/reportbug.conf (1) to avoid to be > proposed a newer

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-15 10:15:35 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 15/11/2023 05:01, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 10:21:13PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > # $ wget -qO- > > > >

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-15 Thread Curt
On 2023-11-14, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > The base number is the same, but I would have thought that this other > kernel might have additional patches. > >> That's why I suggested ignoring the message. > > Then why does reportbug mention the bullseye-backports kernel? > Because it kind of looks

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-14 Thread didier gaumet
Le 14/11/2023 à 23:01, Vincent Lefevre a écrit : [...] Then why does reportbug mention the bullseye-backports kernel? [...] Hello, I don't know why particularly a Bullseye-backports kernel is promoted here in a mixed stable/unstable context but perhaps (I have not tested it) you could set

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-14 Thread Max Nikulin
On 15/11/2023 05:01, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 10:21:13PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: # $ wget -qO- 'https://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=emacs=on=oldstable,stable,testing,unstable,experimental=source,all,x86_64' The same request without s=... returns versions

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-14 16:34:18 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 10:21:13PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-11-14 23:54:31 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > On 14/11/2023 19:00, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > To my surprise, reportbug asks me to use bullseye-backports > > > >

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 10:21:13PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-11-14 23:54:31 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 14/11/2023 19:00, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > To my surprise, reportbug asks me to use bullseye-backports > > > (= oldstable-backports) on my bookworm (= stable) machine: > >

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-11-14 23:54:31 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 14/11/2023 19:00, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > To my surprise, reportbug asks me to use bullseye-backports > > (= oldstable-backports) on my bookworm (= stable) machine: > > Might it happen that you have bullseye-backports in apt sources.list?

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-14 Thread Max Nikulin
On 14/11/2023 19:00, Vincent Lefevre wrote: To my surprise, reportbug asks me to use bullseye-backports (= oldstable-backports) on my bookworm (= stable) machine: Might it happen that you have bullseye-backports in apt sources.list? apt policy apt policy linux-image-amd64

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

2023-11-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 01:00:47PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > To my surprise, reportbug asks me to use bullseye-backports > (= oldstable-backports) on my bookworm (= stable) machine: > > Your version (6.1.55-1) of linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64 appears to be out of > date. > The following newer

Re: why would ping and traceroute give you different IP addresses?

2023-08-14 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 05:02:49AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > site="download.gluonhq.com" > date > time ping "${site}" -c 4 > time traceroute "${site}" > > $ site="download.gluonhq.com" > date > time ping "${site}" -c 4 > time traceroute "${site}" > Mon 14 Aug 2023 11:54:19 PM UTC > PING

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-11 Thread Default User
On Fri, 2023-08-11 at 14:45 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 01:30:13PM +0100, > debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > [...] > > > One other consideration that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere in > > this > > thread is what happens if you back up filesystems to

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-11 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 01:30:13PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: [...] > One other consideration that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere in this > thread is what happens if you back up filesystems to filesystems? I never use the backup's medium top-level dir as a target. In my

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-11 Thread debian-user
wrote: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 03:42:01PM -0400, Default User wrote: > > Hi! > > > > When backing up my system I have been using this exclusions list: > > > > /dev/* > > /proc/* > > /sys/* > > /tmp/* > > /run/* > > /mnt/* > > /media/* > > /lost+found > > > > There are many sources online

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-10 Thread tomas
On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 03:42:01PM -0400, Default User wrote: > Hi! > > When backing up my system I have been using this exclusions list: > > /dev/* > /proc/* > /sys/* > /tmp/* > /run/* > /mnt/* > /media/* > /lost+found > > There are many sources online that suggest that "/lost+found" should

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 09:15:31PM -0400, Default User wrote: > Fortunately, since my lost+found directories are all empty, I have no > "raw material" to practice extraction on. There's no "extraction". If a file is there, it will be a file. It will have a meaningful owner, group and

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-10 Thread Default User
On Thu, 2023-08-10 at 22:03 +, Minecraftchest1 wrote: > This post on the U Stack Exchange sitr summs it up fairly well. > https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/18157. > > In short, `lost+found` is a place for fscheck to link filesystem > entries that don't have an entry anywhere on the file

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-10 Thread David Wright
On Thu 10 Aug 2023 at 15:52:02 (-0700), Bob McGowan wrote: > On 8/10/23 03:03 PM, Nicolas George wrote: > > Default User (12023-08-10): > > > > > And, if /lost+found should be excluded, then shouldn't "lost+found" > > > > > in any other directories be excluded from backups as well? Why/why > > > >

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-10 Thread Bob McGowan
On 8/10/23 03:03 PM, Nicolas George wrote: Default User (12023-08-10): And, if /lost+found should be excluded, then shouldn't "lost+found" in any other directories be excluded from backups as well? Why/why not? Unfortunately, I regret to say that I did not find that the answer to the

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 12:03:26AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Default User (12023-08-10): > > > > And, if /lost+found should be excluded, then shouldn't "lost+found" > > > > in any other directories be excluded from backups as well? Why/why > > > > not? > > > Unfortunately, I regret to say

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-10 Thread Nicolas George
Default User (12023-08-10): > > > And, if /lost+found should be excluded, then shouldn't "lost+found" > > > in any other directories be excluded from backups as well? Why/why > > > not? > Unfortunately, I regret to say that I did not find that the answer to > the question(s) about lost+found in

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-10 Thread Default User
On Thu, 2023-08-10 at 21:45 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Default User (12023-08-10): > > And, if /lost+found should be excluded, then shouldn't "lost+found" > > in > > any other directories be excluded from backups as well? Why/why > > not? > > Before anybody answers all your question, there

Re: Why or why not back up "/lost+found"

2023-08-10 Thread Nicolas George
Default User (12023-08-10): > And, if /lost+found should be excluded, then shouldn't "lost+found" in > any other directories be excluded from backups as well? Why/why not? Before anybody answers all your question, there is something that needs checking: Do you know what lost+found is for? If

Re: why dpms in bullseye fails?

2023-08-08 Thread hlyg
Thank davidson!  i've switched to bookworm.  Thanks anyway!

Re: why dpms in bullseye fails?

2023-08-07 Thread davidson
On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 hlyg wrote: > it used to work > > to make troubleshooting easy, i change to 30 from default 600 > > xset dpms 30 30 30 > > xset q > > ... > > Screen Saver: >   prefer blanking:  yes    allow exposures:  yes >   timeout:  0    cycle:  600 > > ... > > DPMS (Energy Star): >  

Re: why is os-prober disabled by default

2023-07-14 Thread Max Nikulin
On 15/07/2023 01:32, digitalmailing wrote: Is there a reason why GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false in /etc/default/grub is commented by default after installation of bookworm or grub? After posting some links and references to Debian bugs in Re: os-prober Just a Rant. Fri, 26 May 2023 09:38:37

Re: why is os-prober disabled by default

2023-07-14 Thread Brian
On Fri 14 Jul 2023 at 21:41:39 +0300, Teemu Likonen wrote: > * 2023-07-14 20:32:41+0200, digitalmail...@gmx.de wrote: > > > Is there a reason why GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false in > > /etc/default/grub is commented by default after installation of > > bookworm or grub? > > Yes. Release notes

Re: why is os-prober disabled by default

2023-07-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 08:32:41PM +0200, digitalmailing wrote: > I find this very annoying and inconvenient to change > [GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER] back again after some updates. Others have explained the "why". To stop your changes being overwritten you can re-enable it in a .cfg file in

Re: why is os-prober disabled by default

2023-07-14 Thread Dan Ritter
digitalmailing wrote: > Is there a reason why GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false > in /etc/default/grub is commented by default after > installation of bookworm or grub? Yes. It's a new change, mentioned in the upgrade notes.

Re: why is os-prober disabled by default

2023-07-14 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2023-07-14 20:32:41+0200, digitalmail...@gmx.de wrote: > Is there a reason why GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false in > /etc/default/grub is commented by default after installation of > bookworm or grub? Yes. Release notes document tells about it briefly: 5.1.11. GRUB no longer runs os-prober by

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-08 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The first generation was hybrid 16/32 bit internally, and came in > > variants selected for cost vs performance: 8, 16 or 32 bit external bus. > > I've never heard of a version of the 68000 with a 32bit external bus. You're right. I was misremembering the 68012, which

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 16:08:44 -0500 John Hasler wrote: Hello John, >That processor was targeted at embedded systems and it made sense in >some applications. I don't understand why anyone would put it in a >desktop. Cost. -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}"

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Motorola's 68000 line had an internal 32 bit architecture, which made > the CPU both performant and expensive. Hmm... it had a (non-internal) 32bit instruction set architecture (i.e. programmers could directly manipulate 32bit entities), but internally it manipulated only 16bit at a time (e.g.

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 23:10:01 +0200 John Hasler wrote: > Bret writes: > >> With bits and bytes, one strange thing that I remember, is that, in >> 1985, in Australia, a particular computer was introduced, that had a >> 32 bit processor with 8 bit buses. It was a Motorola 68008 CPU, and, >> I

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread gene heskett
On 7/7/23 17:24, Dan Ritter wrote: Bret Busby wrote: With bits and bytes, one strange thing that I remember, is that, in 1985, in Australia, a particular computer was introduced, that had a 32 bit processor with 8 bit buses. It was a Motorola 68008 CPU, and, I could not understand why a

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Fri 07 Jul 2023 at 16:08:44 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > Bret writes: > > With bits and bytes, one strange thing that I remember, is that, in > > 1985, in Australia, a particular computer was introduced, that had a > > 32 bit processor with 8 bit buses. It was a Motorola 68008 CPU, and, I > >

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2023 07 Jul 12:59 -0500, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > There is lots of cross-pollination, though. Before the advent of Clang > there weren't many credible alternatives to the GCC toolchain; I don't > think any BSD sysadmin worth their salt would renounce using rsync just > because it's GPL.

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread Dan Ritter
Bret Busby wrote: > > With bits and bytes, one strange thing that I remember, is that, in 1985, in > Australia, a particular computer was introduced, that had a 32 bit processor > with 8 bit buses. It was a Motorola 68008 CPU, and, I could not understand > why a company would produce a 32 bit

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread John Hasler
Bret writes: > With bits and bytes, one strange thing that I remember, is that, in > 1985, in Australia, a particular computer was introduced, that had a > 32 bit processor with 8 bit buses. It was a Motorola 68008 CPU, and, I > could not understand why a company would produce a 32 bit CPU wit 8 >

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread Bret Busby
On 8/7/23 03:30, mick.crane wrote: On 2023-07-07 19:19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Thr rest, is, as they say... .."A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor which was written by a

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread gene heskett
On 7/7/23 13:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote: On Fri Jul  7 09:59:56 2023 fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: >> Microsoft for good or bad has made major advances in software Yup.  Like surveillance, flakiness, and an endless merry-go-round of forced upgrades into ever-increasing bloatware. >> and is

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread debian-user
jeremy ardley wrote: > On 7/7/23 19:28, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > > > That may be or not, but is irrelevant. Accurate attribution of > > quotes is important, IMHO, and not difficult to do. So doubling > > down on your mistake instead of a simple mea culpa means you move > > further

Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?

2023-07-07 Thread mick.crane
On 2023-07-07 19:19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Thr rest, is, as they say... .."A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit

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