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Am 2007-03-19 18:18:46, schrieb Arnt Karlsen:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:04:52 -0400, Roberto wrote in message
Of course, this raises the following question:
If Allah is all powerful, why could he not preserve
Am 2007-02-28 14:28:41, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:05:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Muslims teach that Jesus was a true prophet, in fact one
of the four (I think) major prophets of Islam. And the Shia believe
that he will return (along
Am 2007-03-19 18:18:46, schrieb Arnt Karlsen:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:04:52 -0400, Roberto wrote in message
Of course, this raises the following question:
If Allah is all powerful, why could he not preserve his original
revelation? Why did he have to give it again?
..could He be
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:04:08PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2007-02-28 14:28:41, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
Of course, as I have pointed out, Jesus said (on more than one occasion)
that he, in fact, was one with God the Father. According to Islam, that
is the worst kind of
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:04:08PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2007-02-28 14:28:41, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:05:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Muslims teach that Jesus was a true prophet, in fact one
of the four (I think) major
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[snip]
As to the respect for all Prophets, 'the Prophet' always means
Mohammed. Mohammed is the last in a sequence of prophets, not merely
the most recent. There will be no more prophets, according to
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On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 11:36:28PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
The Muslims also believe that all prophets before Mohammed were
misunderstood by their followers, so that the true teachings of (for
instance)
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:05:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Muslims teach that Jesus was a true prophet, in fact one
of the four (I think) major prophets of Islam. And the Shia believe
that he will return (along with another prophet) at the
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 08:23:33PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:05:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Muslims teach that Jesus was a true prophet, in fact one
of the four (I think) major prophets of Islam. And the Shia
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 08:23:33PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:05:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Muslims teach that Jesus was a true prophet, in fact one
of the four (I think) major prophets of Islam. And the Shia
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 11:36:28PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
The Muslims also believe that all prophets before Mohammed were
misunderstood by their followers, so that the true teachings of (for
instance) Moses and Jesus (Issa) are found only in the Koran.
Of course, this raises the following
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On 03/04/07 20:25, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
.._amen_ to that, look at W and the US. ;o)
Bashing W at every turn makes you look *really* juvenile.
..what??? Having
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On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:35:57PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
the US is arguably one of the most prosperous nations in the world.
I think that it is right for us to render humanitarian aid to other
nations
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Michael Pobega wrote:
Everyone has their own belief, and let it be that way.
I'd rather not. Personally when someone
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Michael Pobega wrote:
Everyone has their
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:48:13PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/28/07 22:14, Marc Shapiro wrote:
Precisely. The ROMANS crucified Jesus, NOT the Jews.
Of course, because they were the ones in power.
*Certain* Jews, ones who owed their power to the Romans and who were
threatened
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:22:33PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
1. God has always been.
2. All matter/energy Just Appeared.
Which is more fantastical?
Even I, an atheist, think that #2 is more fantastical.
Maybe you're agnostic?
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Don't forget to check that your
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:35:57PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
the US is arguably one of the most prosperous nations in the world. I
think that it is right for us to render humanitarian aid to other
nations when we can. This is generally done through deployments of the
military
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:32:41AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:35:57PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
the US is arguably one of the most prosperous nations in the world. I
think that it is right for us to render humanitarian aid to other
nations when we can.
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:19:13AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:22:33PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
1. God has always been.
2. All matter/energy Just Appeared.
It turns out that when you add the mass of the matter in the universe to
the gravitational potential
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 01:38:15AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:01:46PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Correct. So, according to the Bible, the Muslims are just as wrong
anyone else.
Missed the point there, Roberto. According
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:46:21AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just where did Jesus claim to be God? I've heard lost of people say
that Jesus was God, but I haven't seen the place where Jesus himself
claims it.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the Way, the truth, and the life: no man
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On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:22:33PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
1. God has always been.
2. All matter/energy Just Appeared.
Which is more fantastical?
Even I, an atheist, think that #2 is more
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On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:19:13AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:22:33PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
1. God has always been.
2. All matter/energy Just Appeared.
It turns out
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 05:50:39PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:26:53AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
Not necessarily, they can all be right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_the_Wise
Actually, the can't all be right:
Jesus saith unto him, I
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:50:27AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, the can't all be right:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me. -- John 14:6
In the output of the Jesus Seminar, this line is printed in
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On 02/28/07 05:32, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:35:57PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
the US is arguably one of the most prosperous nations in the world. I
think that it is right for us to render humanitarian aid to other
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It turns out that when you add the mass of the matter in the universe ...
It is my understanding that physicists don't know how much matter is in
the universe. They don't see enough to account for what's needed in
their cosmological theories, and therefore they throw
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In the output of the Jesus Seminar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Seminar
See Criticism of
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On 02/28/07 08:13, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:50:27AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
he at least did exist. One maintains that he *is* God. I'm not sure
about Jewish history and whether they even acknowledge his
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:54:51AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/28/07 08:13, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:50:27AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
he at least did exist. One maintains that he *is* God. I'm not sure
about Jewish history and whether they
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On 02/28/07 09:17, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:54:51AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/28/07 08:13, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:50:27AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
he at least did
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Just where did Jesus claim to be God? I've heard lost of people say
that Jesus was God, but I haven't seen the place where Jesus himself
claims it.
-- hendrik
I think the clearest place is in the Gospel According to St. John:
The
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:29:30AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
I'm surprised that you repeat the the Jews killed Jesus fallacy.
OK. My mistake. The Jews just effectively threatened to riot against
the Roman rulers if *they* didn't crucify him.
Regards,
-Roberto
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On 02/28/07 09:40, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:29:30AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
I'm surprised that you repeat the the Jews killed Jesus fallacy.
OK. My mistake. The Jews just effectively threatened to riot against
the
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:50:46AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/28/07 09:40, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:29:30AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
I'm surprised that you repeat the the Jews killed Jesus fallacy.
OK. My mistake. The Jews just effectively threatened to
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:40:55AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It turns out that when you add the mass of the matter in the universe ...
It is my understanding that physicists don't know how much matter is in
the universe. They don't see enough to account for what's
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:04:28AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:46:21AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just where did Jesus claim to be God? I've heard lost of people say
that Jesus was God, but I haven't seen the place where Jesus himself
claims it.
On 27 Feb, Steve Lamb wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
So, if you believe Jesus, then the others *must* be wrong (excepting
the OT Jews, which were under The Law).
Unless, of course, you're Muslim where it is taught Jesus was a
false prophet. Quite a common theme, actually.
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:05:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Muslims teach that Jesus was a true prophet, in fact one
of the four (I think) major prophets of Islam. And the Shia believe
that he will return (along with another prophet) at the end times to
set thing
On 28 Feb, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:05:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Muslims teach that Jesus was a true prophet, in fact
one of the four (I think) major prophets of Islam. And the Shia
believe that he will return (along with another
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 03:10:58PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 28 Feb, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Of course, as I have pointed out, Jesus said (on more than one
occasion) that he, in fact, was one with God the Father. According to
Islam, that is the worst kind of blasphemy. How
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
It turns out that when you add the mass of the matter in the universe
to the gravitational potential energy (which happens to be negative),
that the sum of the two is suspiciously close to zero (to quota a
famous physicist whose name I can't remember).
Hmm, the
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:46:15PM -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
It turns out that when you add the mass of the matter in the universe
to the gravitational potential energy (which happens to be negative),
that the sum of the two is suspiciously close to zero (to
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:26:42PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
physics:
http://www.motionmountain.net/
cool thanks
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
It turns out that when you add the mass of the matter in the universe
to the gravitational potential energy (which happens to be
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:34:37PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:26:42PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
physics:
http://www.motionmountain.net/
cool thanks
You are very welcome.
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On 02/28/07 09:17, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:54:51AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/28/07 08:13, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
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On 02/28/07 22:14, Marc Shapiro wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/28/07 09:17, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:54:51AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/28/07 08:13, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:50:27AM
You do realize I was being sarcastic, right?
Yup. Best time to butt in. :-)
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Thus, atheism *by itself* won't bring about a reasonable society.
Neither will any religion (or anything at all, for that matter).
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On 02/27/07 03:40, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
You do realize I was being sarcastic, right?
Yup. Best time to butt in. :-)
OK, just wanted to make sure.
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On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 12:03:39AM -0500 or thereabouts, Roberto C. Sanchez
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:55:04PM -0500, Stephen wrote:
FWIW I was raised in a born again fundamentalist Christian family.
None of the siblings remained in the faith. It was an intolerant way to
live.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:14:59AM -0500, Stephen wrote:
Please, don't assume you know what I went through and what I saw. I've
seen families ruined because of fundamentalist misguided views.
I assumed nothing about what you through beyond what you stated.
Roberto, you believe what you
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:40:03PM -0800, Michael M. wrote:
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:14 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive
things with my time than learn random acronyms. But thanks for filling
me in, that's one I'll be
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:08:23PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
He
claims that religious people are stupid and basically use ancient texts
are a crutch.
Well, don't you? I mean you cherry pick the nice bits and reject the
nasty.
Nevermind that the
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:24:04PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:40:03PM -0800, Michael M. wrote:
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:14 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive
things with my time than
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On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:40:03PM -0800, Michael M. wrote:
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:14 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive
things with my time than learn random acronyms. But thanks for
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 12:13:23PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:24:04PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:40:03PM -0800, Michael M. wrote:
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:14 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
I've only used Mutt for a day
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:46:06 -0600
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:04:39 -0500
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On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:40:25PM -0800, Steve
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:19:01 +0530
Vibhav Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan H. wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
When the Bible says something, I believe it.
Isn't that a bit silly? After all, the Bible is a collection of
stories,
Also in support of that viewpoint
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:26:53AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
Not necessarily, they can all be right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_the_Wise
Actually, the can't all be right:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
So, if you believe Jesus, then the others *must* be wrong (excepting the
OT Jews, which were under The Law).
Unless, of course, you're Muslim where it is taught Jesus was a false
prophet. Quite a common theme, actually.
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On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:21:58PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
So, if you believe Jesus, then the others *must* be wrong (excepting the
OT Jews, which were under The Law).
Unless, of course, you're Muslim where it is taught Jesus was a false
prophet. Quite a
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Correct. So, according to the Bible, the Muslims are just as wrong
anyone else.
Missed the point there, Roberto. According to the Quran *you* are just as
wrong as anyone else.
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On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:01:46PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Correct. So, according to the Bible, the Muslims are just as wrong
anyone else.
Missed the point there, Roberto. According to the Quran *you* are just as
wrong as anyone else.
OK. You are right
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On 02/26/07 01:04, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:40:25PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
I don't get the question. God decides what is and is not his word.
Lots of people have claimed to write in the name
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
When the Bible says something, I believe it.
Isn't that a bit silly? After all, the Bible is a collection of stories,
told and retold by people, written and rewritten by people, edited and
re-edited by people over centuries. Translations abound, first-,
second-, and
Ron Johnson wrote:
Steve doesn't *want* to understand.
Er, I don't? I think I made it quite clear that I understand all too well
what does go on when people get ahold of that book and take it as literal
truth. Since I view it as a poorly written work of fiction what concerns me
is not the
Dan H. wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
When the Bible says something, I believe it.
Isn't that a bit silly? After all, the Bible is a collection of stories,
Also in support of that viewpoint what about all the other
collection of stories. I'm notionally a Hindu, as in my
Vibhav Sharma wrote:
Dan H. wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
When the Bible says something, I believe it.
Isn't that a bit silly? After all, the Bible is a collection of stories,
go for our 'stories' that all the universe was created by the Lord
Brahma ...
Well it depends,
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Dan H. wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
When the Bible says something, I believe it.
Isn't that a bit silly? After all, the Bible is a collection of stories,
No, not *just* stories. There's
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another collection of stories and nothing more seem more likely. Of
course this too is just another view but more viewpoints are always
useful ... right?
Nope.
Belief in
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/07 07:49, Vibhav Sharma wrote:
another collection of stories and nothing more seem more likely. Of
course this too is just another view but more viewpoints are always
useful ...
Ron Johnson wrote:
No, not *just* stories. There's quite a lot of verifiable people
and places in the Bible.
Well, of course there is. There are also quite a few verifiable people
and places in Forrest Gump, doesn't make it true any more than authors from
100-200AD throwing an fictional
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/07 07:49, Vibhav Sharma wrote:
another collection of stories and nothing more seem more likely. Of
course this too is just another view but more
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 06:31:27PM +1100, Debian User wrote:
There's one in your explanation above, you are arguing about the bits
that made it into the Bible above, which were decided after much
contentious debate. In the next paragraph you claim that God has
the power to create the
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 09:53:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:04:39 -0500
Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You do realize that the ones that ended up in the Bible were the ones
which were essentially universally agreed up upon, correct? Yes there
was
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/07 10:10, Wulfy wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/07 07:49, Vibhav Sharma wrote:
another collection of stories and nothing more seem more likely. Of
course this too is just
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On 02/26/07 10:37, Steve Lamb wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
No, not *just* stories. There's quite a lot of verifiable people
and places in the Bible.
Well, of course there is. There are also quite a few verifiable people
and places in Forrest
Wulfy wrote:
Zero. But I have no hope of that happening.
Hopefully, as much chance as the Christians and Muslims have of One
World Religion. :@)
Unfortunately that seems more likely. I have yet to hear about an Atheist
suicide bomber. Or as Sam Harris puts it I know of no society in
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:11:18AM +0100, Dan H. wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
When the Bible says something, I believe it.
Isn't that a bit silly? After all, the Bible is a collection of stories,
told and retold by people, written and rewritten by people, edited and
re-edited by
Ron Johnson wrote:
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/07 10:10, Wulfy wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/07 07:49, Vibhav Sharma wrote:
another collection of stories and nothing
Ron Johnson wrote:
Let me clarify for the dense of head:
Allow me the same.
There are stories made directly of whole cloth, and then there are
stories about real people and places and events.
While the Bible references real world events and people it inserts a
figure into those
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
This argument is constantly trotted out by athiests and people who
disbelieve the Bible. It's a matter faith.
Faith is the Theist's code word for I will now ignore all contrary
facts and evidence, throw logic out the window and you will not criticize me
for that
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:04:39 -0500
Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:40:25PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
[snip]
It was once universally agreed
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Wulfy wrote:
Zero. But I have no hope of that happening.
Hopefully, as much chance as the Christians and Muslims have of One
World Religion. :@)
Unfortunately that seems more likely. I have yet to
Ron Johnson wrote:
And you believe atheism == reasonableness???
Even atheist aren't that stupid.
First off, you're speaking for all Atheists? Because I cited Sam Harris
as that quote and he's an Atheist. So before you even typed those words you
seemed to be running into problems.
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On 02/26/07 11:59, Steve Lamb wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
And you believe atheism == reasonableness???
Even atheist aren't that stupid.
First off, you're speaking for all Atheists? Because I cited Sam Harris
as that quote and he's an
Ron Johnson wrote:
Then Sam Harris was foolish for writing that.
No, you're foolish for not reading more of what he's written...
If atheism is so fired up great, then the Soviet Union and the PRC
would have been workers paradises instead of mass killing fields and
the greatest(?)
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On 02/26/07 12:29, Steve Lamb wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
Then Sam Harris was foolish for writing that.
No, you're foolish for not reading more of what he's written...
If atheism is so fired up great, then the Soviet Union and the PRC
would
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:50:16PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:37:29PM -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
Are you suggesting that instead of creating a debian off topic mailing
list, we should create a debian-help list instead, specifically mandated on
the
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:53:01PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
these OT threads are just the water-cooler break after a long morning
of churning out widgets. We all get together and thump on each other
for a while before getting back to work. It keeps the interest up for
those of us
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 12:53 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
these OT threads are just the water-cooler break after a long morning
of churning out widgets. We all get together and thump on each other
for a while before getting back to work. It keeps the interest up for
those of us who spend
Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not to sound stupid, but how does one use this ignore thread feature?
so I went looking for how to do this in mutt, without great
results. But I found *this* very thread on the first page of google
hits! Go figure.
anyway, this
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:34:30PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:27:34PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
I qualify as one of the brand spanking new members and I say I have
not laughed so hard in a long time. Keep the OT stuff going
Welcome!
There are
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:48:08PM -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
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On 02/25/07 16:34, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:27:34PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
[snip]
Do you *really* want to
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:20:09PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:56:51PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:46:30 +0100
Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list
But does a
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:05:10PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 12:53 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
these OT threads are just the water-cooler break after a long morning
of churning out widgets. We all get together and thump on each other
for a while before getting
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
But they're still atheists. They don't believe in God, they believe
in Stalin or Mao, or whomever.
Thus, atheism *by itself* won't bring about a reasonable society.
I think those folks sought to be viewed somewhat as deities, themselves,
thereby removing
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