ndemou writes:
rtf is NOT OPEN: we have a technical reference but we don't have a
license to use it...
No one needs a license to use a format.
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On 7/9/07, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which brings us back to my original point; why not RTF? It's apparently
a fairly open format, and apparently virtually all word processors can
read and write it.
rtf is NOT OPEN: we have a technical reference but we don't have a
license to use it and
On Tuesday 10 July 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which brings us back to my original point; why not RTF? It's apparently
a fairly open format, and apparently virtually all word processors can
read and write it.
I do not know if it is the format itself, or the limitation of the
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On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 11:10:57AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article
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That depends on your definition of available. If the person
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 01:33:07PM -0300, Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote:
The Sun ODF Plug in for Microsoft Office gives users of Microsoft Word,
Excel and Powerpoint the ability to read, edit and save to the
ISO-standard Open Document Format. The ODF Plug in is available as a
free download from
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:35:24 -0400
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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While I personally prefer OOo over MSO and try to encourage people to
switch, it will be a long time yet before non-MS formats are considered
standard.
Which brings us back to my original point; why not RTF?
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On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 01:33:07PM -0300, Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote:
The Sun ODF Plug in for Microsoft Office gives users of Microsoft Word,
Excel and Powerpoint the ability to read, edit and save to the
ISO-standard
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Celejar wrote:
Which brings us back to my original point; why not RTF? It's apparently
a fairly open format, and apparently virtually all word processors can
read and write it.
I do not know if it is the format itself, or the limitation of the
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 02:58:17PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
John Hasler wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to
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Alan Ianson writes:
I believe kword supports ODF now
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 11:10:57AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article
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That depends on your definition of available. If the person receiving
your document is on dialup and not in a position to download the
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:23:20 +0300
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On 6/28/07, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:13:38 +0300
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anyway, IMHO: even if RTF is open under some interpretation it's not
to be used as a critical component of OS
Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter Hillier-Brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a Microsoft standard. Draw your own conclusions regarding open.
I'd certainly suspect MS, but its authorship is insufficient reason to
conclude that it isn't open.
authorship is surely insufficient but why
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:13:38 +0300
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Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter Hillier-Brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a Microsoft standard. Draw your own conclusions regarding open.
I'd certainly suspect MS, but its authorship is insufficient
On 6/28/07, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:13:38 +0300
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anyway, IMHO: even if RTF is open under some interpretation it's not
to be used as a critical component of OS SW. You will have noticed
already that it's hard to find the license
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Peter Hillier-Brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Celejar wrote:
I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:46:37 -0700
Alan Ianson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2007-25-06 at 10:18 -0400, Celejar wrote:
I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
standard. Wikipedia [0] claims
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:35:27 +0300
David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's proprietary. This article
[1] points
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:27:33 +0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/25/07, David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's
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Andrew J. Barr wrote:
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SQL is also theirs...
Whatever gave you that idea? IBM created SQL before Microsoft
existed! It has been an ISO standard since 1987.
OK, OK.
RTF is Microsoft's
SQL is IBM's
JavaScript is Netscape's (Jscript is Microsoft's knockoff, beware)
HTML, CSS and their children are from W3C (Worldwide Web Consortium)
XML?
PostScript is Apple's (really a FORTH derivative, huh?)
PDF is Adobe's.
Word, XSL, etc. are from Microsoft.
and ...
The perfect reply!
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 19:25 +0300, David Baron wrote:
OK, OK.
RTF is Microsoft's
SQL is IBM's
JavaScript is Netscape's (Jscript is Microsoft's knockoff, beware)
HTML, CSS and their children are from W3C (Worldwide Web Consortium)
XML?
PostScript is Apple's (really a
John Hasler wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to
gmane.linux.debian.user:
Alan Ianson writes:
I believe kword supports ODF now and I hope this will continue to be the
case with koffice and other word processing applications like abiword in
the future.
The problem is that most
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 02:58:17PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
John Hasler wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to
gmane.linux.debian.user:
Alan Ianson writes:
I believe kword supports ODF now and I hope this will continue to be the
case with koffice and other word processing
I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's proprietary. This article
[1] points out that it has the same status as PDF. I can't imagine
that Abi would recommend
On Mon, 2007-25-06 at 10:18 -0400, Celejar wrote:
I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's proprietary. This article
[1] points out that it has the same
I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's proprietary. This article
[1] points out that it has the same status as PDF. I can't imagine
that Abi would
On 6/25/07, David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's proprietary. This article
[1] points out that it has the same
Celejar writes:
What does it even mean for a file format to be open? That the creator
can't restrict its use?
The creator of a format cannot restrict its use.
That the spec has been published?
Yes.
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Alan Ianson writes:
I believe kword supports ODF now and I hope this will continue to be the
case with koffice and other word processing applications like abiword in
the future.
The problem is that most Microsoft Windows users cannot deal with ODF.
That doesn't matter to me but to some people
David Baron writes:
Microsoft does not restrict [the use of RTF] to my knowledge.
They can't.
SQL is also theirs...
Whatever gave you that idea? IBM created SQL before Microsoft existed! It
has been an ISO standard since 1987. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
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David Baron writes:
Microsoft does not restrict [the use of RTF] to my knowledge.
They can't.
Are you a lawyer? How do you know this?
SQL is also theirs...
Whatever gave you that idea? IBM created SQL before Microsoft existed! It
has been an ISO standard since
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SQL is also theirs...
Whatever gave you that idea? IBM created SQL before Microsoft
existed! It has been an ISO standard since 1987.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
You need to learn some history. MicroSoft predates 1987 by quite
a bit.
I wrote:
Whatever gave you that idea? IBM created SQL before Microsoft existed! It
has been an ISO standard since 1987. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
Mike writes:
You need to learn some history. MicroSoft predates 1987 by quite a bit.
You need to learn some history (it isn't history for
Andrew J. Barr wrote:
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SQL is also theirs...
Whatever gave you that idea? IBM created SQL before Microsoft
existed! It has been an ISO standard since 1987.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
You need to learn some history. MicroSoft predates 1987 by
John Hasler wrote:
I wrote:
Whatever gave you that idea? IBM created SQL before Microsoft existed! It
has been an ISO standard since 1987. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
Mike writes:
You need to learn some history. MicroSoft predates 1987 by quite a bit.
You need to learn some
John Hasler wrote:
Celejar writes:
What does it even mean for a file format to be open? That the creator
can't restrict its use?
The creator of a format cannot restrict its use.
They why was there a big flap when Unisys restricted use of GIF?
You might have a look here
Mike McCarty wrote:
They why was there a big flap when Unisys restricted use of GIF?
Unisys held a patent covering LZW compression. Unisys did not create
the GIF format. The GIF format was created by CompuServe. Neither
did Unisys write the 'compress' program. But both implemented an
Bob Proulx wrote:
Mike McCarty wrote:
They why was there a big flap when Unisys restricted use of GIF?
Unisys held a patent covering LZW compression. Unisys did not create
the GIF format. The GIF format was created by CompuServe. Neither
[...]
Thanks for the reply. I am aware of all
Mike McCarty wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
Mike McCarty wrote:
They why was there a big flap when Unisys restricted use of GIF?
Unisys held a patent covering LZW compression. Unisys did not create
the GIF format. The GIF format was created by CompuServe. Neither
Thanks for the reply. I am
Bob Proulx wrote:
Mike McCarty wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
Mike McCarty wrote:
They why was there a big flap when Unisys restricted use of GIF?
Unisys held a patent covering LZW compression. Unisys did not create
the GIF format. The GIF format was created by CompuServe. Neither
Thanks
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 02:31:09PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
SQL in the early 1970s. It just didn't become an ISO standard until 1987.
Follow the link I gave you.
I replied to your message AS WRITTEN. If you don't mean to imply
that MicroSoft doesn't predate 1987, then you shouldn't make
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