On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
Paying the occasional sysadmin bill might well come out to less
than what these people spend on the software itself now.
People cost a ton -- $100g + 30% for benefits. I use
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote:
On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
Paying the occasional sysadmin bill might well come out to less
than what these people spend on the software itself
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 15:01, Tom wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote:
On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
[snip]
I'm a Developer -- even though I started with VB and Access and while
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 03:26:49PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 15:01, Tom wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote:
On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
[snip]
I'm
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On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:50:40PM +, Pigeon wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:25:19PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:33:02PM +, Pigeon wrote:
(c) running costs for
the sort of vehicle that gets you from A to B
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:25:19PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:33:02PM +, Pigeon wrote:
(c) running costs for
the sort of vehicle that gets you from A to B legally but no more
$150, tops, and that's if you're as hard on a bike as I am
I just broke the
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:11:04 -0500,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vikki Roemer) wrote in message
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:31:08PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote:
We're all here because we know that Windows achieves easy at the
expense of being hopelessly insecure and often broken.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:24:14PM -0800, Tom wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
Paying the occasional sysadmin bill might well come out to less than
what these people spend on the software itself now.
People cost a ton -- $100g + 30% for benefits. I
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:33:02PM +, Pigeon wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:24:14PM -0800, Tom wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
Paying the occasional sysadmin bill might well come out to less than
what these people spend on the software itself
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:33:02PM +, Pigeon wrote:
(c) running costs for
the sort of vehicle that gets you from A to B legally but no more
$150, tops, and that's if you're as hard on a bike as I am
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On Sunday 09 November 2003 03:48, Karsten M. Self wrote:
See:
http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/FreeSoftwarePrimer
Both standards *and* free software matter.
Nice link - thanks. I've been looking for something like this but I didn't
know how to ask for it. I've read some things on the list
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:31:08PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote:
We're all here because we know that Windows achieves easy at the
expense of being hopelessly insecure and often broken. Maybe it's time
to start offering another choice to people who are fed up with Windows
but not ready to
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
Paying the occasional sysadmin bill might well come out to less than
what these people spend on the software itself now.
People cost a ton -- $100g + 30% for benefits. I use round numbers: in
my 9 years since college, the average
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:24:14 -0800
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
Paying the occasional sysadmin bill might well come out to less
than what these people spend on the software itself now.
People cost a ton -- $100g + 30% for
on Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:27:42PM +1300, cr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 07:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
As in proprietary, closed-source apps?
Well,
Johnson wrote :
» Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:22:55 -0600
» From: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
» To: Debian-User [EMAIL PROTECTED]
» Subject: Re: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
» Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:23:00 -0600 (CST)
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» On Thu, 2003-11-06
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:02, BruceG wrote:
My experience with the wonderful world of Linux and end users
- or normal people. My sister needed a laptop to help her
start a new business writing grant proposals. I figured I'd
help by buying her a laptop (used, but
On Saturday 08 November 2003 17:49, Edward Murrell wrote:
Click'n'Drool interface
I just can't stop chuckling.
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:52:29PM -0700, David Millet wrote:
Or not until wine begins running these and every windoze app that
everyone uses flawlessly, which hopefully happens soon.
david
No! Emulating proprietry software is not the future for an open source
operating system.
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Paul Johnson wrote:
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:27:22PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
OTOH: Yesterday I was told by Linux folks that the sound problems on
Linux that I have from time to time might need a simple restart of
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 05:46, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:52:29PM -0700, David Millet wrote:
Or not until wine begins running these and every windoze app that
everyone uses flawlessly, which hopefully happens soon.
david
No! Emulating proprietry software is not
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Mike Mueller wrote:
On Thursday 06 November 2003 14:27, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
So, yes: It seems it makes some sense what the RedHat chief executive
said.
If your brother or sister starts a new venture, you wouldn't use the local
newspaper to say that their venture
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 07:32:41AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 05:46, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:52:29PM -0700, David Millet wrote:
Or not until wine begins running these and every windoze app that
everyone uses flawlessly, which hopefully
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 09:26, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 07:32:41AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 05:46, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:52:29PM -0700, David Millet wrote:
Or not until wine begins running these and every windoze
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
As in proprietary, closed-source apps?
Well, that depends on if you see them as a problem, or something
that you prefer not to use.
I prefer not to use proprietary, closed-source apps, but, when
necessary, will pay for them,
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
As in proprietary, closed-source apps?
Well, that depends on if you see them as a problem, or something
that you prefer not to use.
I prefer not to use proprietary,
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:52, David Millet wrote:
all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
start picking it up. a lot of us will, in fact.
i'm extremely confident that it will rule
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:20, techlists wrote:
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:52, David Millet wrote:
all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
start picking it up. a lot of us will, in fact.
techlists [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As much as I like Wine, and use it myself for some products, I fear that
the wine project may do to linux what win-os/2 did for os/2. If your
system will run win32 apps, what insentive do companies have to develop
native programs for you.
Well, Wine has
On Friday 07 November 2003 13:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
As in proprietary, closed-source apps?
Well, that depends on if you see them as a problem, or something
that you
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 04:28:57PM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote:
snip
Let's say you're a barn builder. People need barns and are used to buying
barns now-a-days. You go around to the community and suggest a community
barn-raising project. Everyone agrees but you soon find out the participants
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 at 12:27:11 -0600,
Ron Johnson wrote:
[...]
On the other end of the scale, there are, as far as I know, no
OSS packages comparable to Reader Rabbit or Calendar Creator or
Act! or EndNote or Quark.
You can compare Scribus to Quark.
Some are ok, but in many cases,
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:20, techlists wrote:
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:52, David Millet wrote:
all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
start picking it up. a lot of us
* csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031107 16:17]:
Do you want desktop publishing on *n*x, you can use Scribus. Is it
better than Quark. Most likely not. But if you want to layout your
small office's newsletter it would do the job just fine.
According to an article in last month's _Linux Journal_,
csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you want desktop publishing on *n*x, you can use Scribus. Is it
better than Quark. Most likely not. But if you want to layout your
small office's newsletter it would do the job just fine.
If one doesn't mind a proprietary app, Pagestream[1] is a very
Speaking of Reader Rabbit, has anyone gotten any of the educational
games running under wine?
Art Edwards
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 02:52:38PM -0800, Daniel Miller wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:20, techlists wrote:
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:52, David Millet wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:28:57 -0500
Mike Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 07 November 2003 13:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
As in proprietary, closed-source apps?
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 07:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
As in proprietary, closed-source apps?
Well, that depends on if you see them as a problem, or something
that you prefer not
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:28, Mike Mueller wrote:
On Friday 07 November 2003 13:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
As in proprietary, closed-source apps?
Well, that depends on if
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 00:11, Tom wrote:
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 02:02:26PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
[snip]
H.P., slandered as it has been, appears to have been the only corporate
body that has exhibited any real long term commitment, so far.
Because of John Hall, and the ex-DECcies, and
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 19:31
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The Scru is no longer loose you have your head on tight.
Congrats;
Hoyt
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, ScruLoose wrote:
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
See my post in another thread. Different people have different visions
for the future of linux. Not all of us care whether or not it becomes a
desktop leader. Not all of us want it
On Thursday 06 November 2003 14:27, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
So, yes: It seems it makes some sense what the RedHat chief executive
said.
If your brother or sister starts a new venture, you wouldn't use the local
newspaper to say that their venture is immature and folks should check back
in a
all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
start picking it up. a lot of us will, in fact.
i'm extremely confident that it will rule the desktop market, because of
the speed at which
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From:
David Millet
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Debian-User
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:52
PM
Subject: Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows
for consumers"
all I have to say is that I personally want lin
My experience with the wonderful world of Linux and end users - or
normal people. My sister needed a laptop to help her start a new
business writing grant proposals. I figured I'd help by buying her
a laptop (used, but still good, a Dell Latitude PIII, 256Meg RAM,
12 Gig hard
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:02, BruceG wrote:
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From: David Millet
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Debian-User
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
Complain to the store's owner that his employees overwrote your
data, and demand compensation. Contact the BSA, and tell them
about the unlicensed Windows.
hell ya!
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To: Debian-User [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:02, BruceG wrote:
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:27:22PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
OTOH: Yesterday I was told by Linux folks that the sound problems on
Linux that I have from time to time might need a simple restart of the
system. Which was a surprise for me as I
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 20:09, Paul Johnson wrote:
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:27:22PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
OTOH: Yesterday I was told by Linux folks that the sound problems on
Linux that I have from time to time might need a simple
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:58:51 -0700
David Millet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Complain to the store's owner that his employees overwrote your
data, and demand compensation. Contact the BSA, and tell them
about the unlicensed Windows.
hell ya!
Contact MS and tell them about the
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 06:14:08PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39117575,00.htm
Computers are similar to cars: if you know what you are doing, you can
pretty much fix them yourselves for the cost of parts, and minor
problems don't hold you up much. If you
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 17:14 GMT, Wolfgang Pfeiffer penned:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39117575,00.htm
This was on slashdot and people really freaked out about it.
The guy is saying that RedHat is great for businesses, even for
corporate user machines, but that he has trouble seeing
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From: Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:33
Subject: Re: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 17:14 GMT, Wolfgang Pfeiffer penned:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 at 00:01 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
As ustall I will be politically incorrect but I think the following
applys to this entire subject:
Ignore the past and you will fail Ignore the future and you have
already failed.{Unknown}
I think RH ignored the future. Will Debian?
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
See my post in another thread. Different people have different visions
for the future of linux. Not all of us care whether or not it becomes a
desktop leader. Not all of us want it to be easy enough to use that our
moms
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 09:44:20AM -0800, Tom wrote:
...
I like Hondas Civics myself, closest thing to a solid-state automobile
you can by. Buy it, it's fully functional without style, but damn if it
isn't headache-free :-)
Heh. I'll sell you mine (nearly new). Been a headache since day
all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
start picking it up. a lot of us will, in fact.
i'm extremely confident that it will rule the desktop market, because of
the speed at which the desktops
On Wednesday 05 November 2003 19:27, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
Not all of us care whether or not it becomes a
desktop leader. Not all of us want it to be easy enough to use that our
moms are comfortable -- not if that means sacrificing security,
stability, or our beloved command line and text
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:27:32PM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote:
Mr. RH CEO tastes sour grapes because IBM dropped US$50M into Novell
effectively choosing SuSE's dance card over the RH's. Mr. RH CEO peed into
the OSS well. He should have kept his mouth shut. Then again he might be
positioning
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 at 01:31 GMT, ScruLoose penned:
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
=20 See my post in another thread.
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 20:55, David Millet wrote:
all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
start picking it up. a lot of us will, in fact.
i'm extremely confident that it will rule the
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:58:05 -0800
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:27:32PM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote:
Mr. RH CEO tastes sour grapes because IBM dropped US$50M into Novell
effectively choosing SuSE's dance card over the RH's. Mr. RH CEO
peed into the OSS well. He
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 02:02:26PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
Linux people are running around saying 'this corporation's good, and
that one is bad', when as far as I am concerned, corporations don't have
personalities,-their lifeblood is profit. Period. Fullstop.
If anybody thinks that
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