Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-16 Thread Camaleón
El 2010-06-15 a las 22:58 +0100, Lisi escribió: (resending to the list) On Tuesday 15 June 2010 19:44:33 Camaleón wrote: But it's her backup and her data. She should care about how to do things like these, whatever place she is (home, university, work...). I was forgetting that school

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-16 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 08:41:03 Camaleón wrote: El 2010-06-15 a las 22:58 +0100, Lisi escribió: (resending to the list) Sorry. I debated whether to send it to you or the list, and decided that it was OT for the list since I was commenting on a specific sentence of your that wasn't

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-16 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/15/2010 10:59 AM: I wrote a script that only backs up our data directories (including much of /home) into a bunch of tarballs, excluding junk folders like caches, thumbnails, trash, etc, and compressing most but not stuff like image and OOo document directories.

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-16 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:05:56 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 16 June 2010 08:41:03 Camaleón wrote: El 2010-06-15 a las 22:58 +0100, Lisi escribió: (resending to the list) Sorry. I debated whether to send it to you or the list, and decided that it was OT for the list since I was

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-16 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 14:14:22 Camaleón wrote: but I asked you why you were so reluctant to use differential backups on her computer. I couldn't understand why because today backup tasks are just point-and-click, I mean, they are easier to achieve than any image generation of the whole

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-16 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 14:14:22 Camaleón wrote: Many people send the replies to me directly and I am not sure whether if they are full aware of that (intentionally off-list) or this is just the famous Gmail's webmail non-reply-to-list-but-sender error :-) I forgot that Gmail does that. ;-)

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-16 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/16/2010 05:45 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Ron Johnson put forth on 6/15/2010 10:59 AM: I wrote a script that only backs up our data directories (including much of /home) into a bunch of tarballs, excluding junk folders like caches, thumbnails, trash, etc, and compressing most but not stuff

Re: Backups - was Re: LVM

2010-06-16 Thread Alan Chandler
On 15/06/10 14:31, Tom Furie wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 01:02:47PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: On 15/06/10 12:44, Alan Chandler wrote: The real magic command is cp -alf which essentially merges a shorter term store with a longer term one, making new entries where the shorter store has a

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Alexander Samad
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Please excuse the thread breaking.  I have suddenly been being rejected by the list server and am sending for the third time.  I hope that the list server is now happy with my SMTP settings. On Tuesday 15 June 2010 01:25:56

Re: Backups - was Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Alan Chandler
On 15/06/10 11:36, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 01:25:56 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: There are many many ways to make take backups beyond having a disk big enough to hold the data. Would you feel inclined to elaborate? I'm trying to solve this problem for my granddaughter's large

Re: Backups - was Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Alan Chandler
On 15/06/10 12:44, Alan Chandler wrote: The real magic command is cp -alf which essentially merges a shorter term store with a longer term one, making new entries where the shorter store has a file that isn't in the longer term store, and overwriting it where the shorter term store has a file

Re: Backups - was Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Tom Furie
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 01:02:47PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: On 15/06/10 12:44, Alan Chandler wrote: The real magic command is cp -alf which essentially merges a shorter term store with a longer term one, making new entries where the shorter store has a file that isn't in the longer term

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:32:15 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 01:25:56 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: There are many many ways to make take backups beyond having a disk big enough to hold the data. Would you feel inclined to elaborate? I'm trying to solve this problem for my

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 14:40:44 Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:32:15 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 01:25:56 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: There are many many ways to make take backups beyond having a disk big enough to hold the data. Would you feel inclined to

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/2010 05:32 AM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 01:25:56 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: There are many many ways to make take backups beyond having a disk big enough to hold the data. Would you feel inclined to elaborate? I'm trying to solve this problem for my granddaughter's

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/2010 09:48 AM, Lisi wrote: Thanks for this. I was originally responding to Andrew's saying: quote There are many many ways to make take backups beyond having a disk big enough to hold the data. /quote I can think of very few - and was interested in what he was thinking of.

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:48:04 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 14:40:44 Camaleón wrote: I would differentiate between backup data and archived data. (...) Thanks for this. I was originally responding to Andrew's saying: quote There are many many ways to make take backups beyond

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/2010 05:32 AM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 01:25:56 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: There are many many ways to make take backups beyond having a disk big enough to hold the data. Would you feel inclined to elaborate? I'm trying to solve this problem for my

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 18:06:51 Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:48:04 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 14:40:44 Camaleón wrote: I would differentiate between backup data and archived data. (...) Thanks for this. I was originally responding to Andrew's saying: quote

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/2010 12:49 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 18:06:51 Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:48:04 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 14:40:44 Camaleón wrote: I would differentiate between backup data and archived data. (...) Thanks for this. I was originally

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:59:46AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/2010 09:48 AM, Lisi wrote: Thanks for this. I was originally responding to Andrew's saying: quote There are many many ways to make take backups beyond having a disk big enough to hold the data. /quote I can think of

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 09:27:47PM +1000, Alexander Samad wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Please excuse the thread breaking.  I have suddenly been being rejected by the list server and am sending for the third time.  I hope that the list server is

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:49:25 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 18:06:51 Camaleón wrote: Why not practical? Just curious O:-) Because I shan't have hold of the computer for long enough or often enough! But it's her backup and her data. She should care about how to do things like

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/2010 01:18 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] I think the OP said something like: I have 1.3 TB and it's too big to backup. This of course is patently ridiculous. meh. Right. You're a fool to buy a Lexus if you can't afford the (way more than bare legal minimum) auto

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 19:09:28 Ron Johnson wrote: *Teach* her.  She's in Uni, correct?  Thus, she should be responsible enough to take care of her own data by sticking in a USB drive and running a script. Two people divided by a common language No, she's at school, where school in this

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 19:09:28 Ron Johnson wrote: *Teach* her. She's in Uni, correct? Thus, she should be responsible enough to take care of her own data by sticking in a USB drive and running a script. Two people divided by a common language No, she's at school, where school in this

an apology - was Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Lisi
Sorry for duplicate everybody. The list has been rejecting my emails with my usual SMTP set up. This means that I may think that something has gone when it hasn't or vice versa. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: an apology - was Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/2010 05:02 PM, Lisi wrote: Sorry for duplicate everybody. The list has been rejecting my emails with my usual SMTP set up. This means that I may think that something has gone when it hasn't or vice versa. Something like that happened to me a year or so ago when my ISP got much

Re: Backups - was: Re: LVM

2010-06-15 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 06:49:25PM +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 18:06:51 Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:48:04 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 14:40:44 Camaleón wrote: I would differentiate between backup data and archived data. (...) Thanks for