Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
ow...@netptc.net put forth on 10/22/2010 8:15 PM: Actually Amdahl's Law IS a law of diminishing returns but is intended to be applied to hardware, not software. The usual application is to compute the degree to which adding another processor increases the processing power of the system

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Ron Johnson put forth on 10/22/2010 8:48 PM: Bah, humbug. Instead of a quad-core at lower GHz, I just got my wife a dual-core at higher speed. Not to mention the fact that for desktop use 2 higher clocked cores will yield faster application performance (think of the single threaded Flash

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-23 Thread owens
Original Message From: s...@hardwarefreak.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32? Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 12:13:06 -0500 ow...@netptc.net put forth on 10/22/2010 8:15 PM: Actually Amdahl's Law IS a law of diminishing returns

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2010 12:53 AM, Arthur Machlas wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Reidrei...@bellatlantic.net wrote: But I'm curious if anyone on the list knows the rationale for distributing kernels with this set to 32. Is that just a reasonable number that's never been updated? Or is

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-10-22 03:15 +0200, Andrew Reid wrote: I recently deployed some new many-core servers at work, with 48 cores each (4x 12 core AMD 6174s), and ran into an issue where the stock Debian kernel is compiled with CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32, meaning it will only use the first 32 cores that it sees.

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Ron Johnson put forth on 10/22/2010 2:00 AM: On 10/22/2010 12:53 AM, Arthur Machlas wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Reidrei...@bellatlantic.net wrote: But I'm curious if anyone on the list knows the rationale for distributing kernels with this set to 32. Is that just a

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread owens
Original Message From: ron.l.john...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:00:45 -0500 On 10/22/2010 12:53 AM, Arthur Machlas wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Reidrei

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2010 10:34 AM, ow...@netptc.net wrote: Original Message From: ron.l.john...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:00:45 -0500 Correct. The amount of effort needed for cross-CPU

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread owens
Original Message From: ron.l.john...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:44:39 -0500 On 10/22/2010 10:34 AM, ow...@netptc.net wrote: Original Message From: ron.l.john...@cox.net

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread Andrew Reid
On Friday 22 October 2010 11:34:19 ow...@netptc.net wrote: In fact IIRC the additional overhead follows the square of the number of CPUs. I seem to recall this was called Amdahl's Law after Gene Amdahl of IBM (and later his own company) Either that's not it, or there's more than one

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread Stan Hoeppner
ow...@netptc.net put forth on 10/22/2010 5:18 PM: Ron et al See the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl's_law Larry Amdahl's law doesn't apply to capacity systems, only capability systems. Capacity systems are limited almost exclusively by memory, IPC/coherence, and I/O

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread Andrew Reid
On Friday 22 October 2010 03:22:02 Sven Joachim wrote: On 2010-10-22 03:15 +0200, Andrew Reid wrote: I recently deployed some new many-core servers at work, with 48 cores each (4x 12 core AMD 6174s), and ran into an issue where the stock Debian kernel is compiled with CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32,

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread owens
Original Message From: rei...@bellatlantic.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:05:49 -0400 On Friday 22 October 2010 11:34:19 ow...@netptc.net wrote: In fact IIRC the additional overhead

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2010 07:08 PM, Andrew Reid wrote: On Friday 22 October 2010 03:22:02 Sven Joachim wrote: On 2010-10-22 03:15 +0200, Andrew Reid wrote: I recently deployed some new many-core servers at work, with 48 cores each (4x 12 core AMD 6174s), and ran into an issue where the stock Debian

Re: Debian stock kernel config -- CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32?

2010-10-21 Thread Arthur Machlas
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Reid rei...@bellatlantic.net wrote:  But I'm curious if anyone on the list knows the rationale for distributing kernels with this set to 32.  Is that just a reasonable number that's never been updated?  Or is there some complication that arises after 32