Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:41:16 -0500, Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I know nothing about list software, so if that's the case, I guess one would have to be quite trusting to give that power. Precisely, and that is unlikely to happen. And you're being the smart-ass by

Re: [DEB-USER] Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-31 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:01:37PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: snip If you think that any organization would be willing to hand over listmaster powers to anyone on the 'net, you are probably too innocent to be a list master. My gosh, you guys act like a listmaster is God. It's not

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:55:53 -0500, Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030329 01:15]: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:55:55 -0500, Hall Stevenson Are you volunteering to help them out by monitoring the mailing list? I would think as much as it

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-30 Thread Hall Stevenson
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030330 04:07]: On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:55:53 -0500, Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030329 01:15]: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:55:55 -0500, Hall Stevenson Are you volunteering to help them out by

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Al Davis
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Oh, as for subscription address, maybe we need to tell outlook user how to read their mail header. People forgets where they subscribed from and outlook users tend to lack skill to find it or read web site. On Friday 28

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 02:55:28PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: In addition, I wonder... what about having such misplaced unsub-requests generate an auto-reply. Don't forward them anywhere, just fire back a form letter that says something like:

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 07:10:27PM +0200, Barak Korren wrote: joking Actullay implementing this test will be real easy, just cancel the web subscription form... /joking I thought this was a good solution for a while, too. But then I helped a

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:06:12PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Listmaster should not waist his time on this kind of bad behaviors of the mailing list users. Actually, my beef as that listmaster never responds to anything. I've tried contacting the

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030328 13:48 PST]: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 07:10:27PM +0200, Barak Korren wrote: Nathan E Norman wrote: style=mostly joking Or, we could require users to pass some sort of comprehension test before successfully subscribing to the list /style joking

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Hall Stevenson
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030329 01:15]: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:55:55 -0500, Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would think that the listmaster for each list would have an interest in the discussions that take place in it. You know, they're a Debian-user like

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Hall Stevenson
* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030329 05:00]: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:06:12PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Listmaster should not waist his time on this kind of bad behaviors of the mailing list users. Actually, my beef as that listmaster never responds to anything. I've tried

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread ScruLoose
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 01:09:34AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 02:55:28PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: Make it less abusive to the potentially misguided but harmless user (assume they have a clue but cocked it up by accident). Well, yes. I did actually specify in the same

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Mark L. Kahnt
On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 03:23, Al Davis wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Oh, as for subscription address, maybe we need to tell outlook user how to read their mail header. People forgets where they subscribed from and outlook users tend to lack

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 02:14:24PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: I am getting the impression that many people commenting in this thread didn't pay attention to what the OP was dealing with. IIUC, his email address has been changed by his ISP from .com to .net, and while they are still accepting

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 02:14:24PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: [ snip ] I am getting the impression that many people commenting in this thread didn't pay attention to what the OP was dealing with. IIUC, his email address has been changed by his ISP from .com to .net, and while they are still

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 02:04:35AM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 06:54:28PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:25:08AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yeah, this

Re: [DEB-USER] Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Paul M Foster
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 02:50:58PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 06:54:28PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:25:08AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yeah, this

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 01:46:52PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: Are you suggesting that I go ahead and set this up at my end? I did for a while. I suppose I could do that... though my intent was to try and sell the idea to the listmasters and have it

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:57:24PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: You've commented twice (or more) about this and he/she has yet to defend themself... Do they have to ?? No, I realize they don't. Do they even read this list and see Paul's message ??

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Does anyone see problem forwarding [EMAIL PROTECTED] mails with unsubscribe to be filtered from this list and to be forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Although it may have little side

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Nicolas Kratz
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Does anyone see problem forwarding [EMAIL PROTECTED] mails with unsubscribe to be filtered from this list and to be forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Although it may have little side effects, it shall reduce noise significantly.

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 04:04 AM 3/28/2003 -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi list, On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:51:36AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Spam complaints are only valid when it's unsolicited commercial ... Help us help you by following through with your calls for help. Bitching and complaining loudly without

RE: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Colin Ellis
] Sent: 28 March 2003 13:25 To: Debian User List Subject: Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe? At 04:04 AM 3/28/2003 -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi list, On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:51:36AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Spam complaints are only valid when it's unsolicited commercial

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:25:08AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yes, I realize that there are instructions in every message that gets posted how to do it, BUT OBVIOUSLY

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Joerg Johannes
On Friday 28 March 2003 15:22, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Oh, as for subscription address, maybe we need to tell outlook user how to read their mail header. People forgets where they subscribed from and outlook users tend to lack

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Barak Korren
Nathan E Norman wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Oh, as for subscription address, maybe we need to tell outlook user how to read their mail header. People forgets where they subscribed from and outlook users tend to lack skill to find it or read web site.

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Paul E Condon
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi list, On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:51:36AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Spam complaints are only valid when it's unsolicited commercial ... Help us help you by following through with your calls for help. Bitching and complaining

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 07:10:27PM +0200, Barak Korren wrote: Nathan E Norman wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Oh, as for subscription address, maybe we need to tell outlook user how to read their mail header. People forgets where they subscribed from

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:25:08AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yeah, this listmaster-doesn't-read-the-list thing is puzzling me. I'd have thought reading the list was an essential prerequisite for being the listmaster.

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread ScruLoose
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 03:39:16AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Does anyone see problem forwarding [EMAIL PROTECTED] mails with unsubscribe to be filtered from this list and to be forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? I don't think

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 07:26:47AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:25:08AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yes, I realize that there are instructions in every message that gets posted how to

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 07:10:27PM +0200, Barak Korren wrote: Nathan E Norman wrote: style=mostly joking Or, we could require users to pass some sort of comprehension test before successfully subscribing to the list /style joking Actullay implementing this test will be real easy, just

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread ScruLoose
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 10:23:18AM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote: On the other hand, a person who is having difficulty unsubscribing even after receiving the verbose instruction letter should be able to ask for help on the list. That's easily dealt with. Have the auto-reply trigger only on

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Barak Korren
Nathan E Norman wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 07:10:27PM +0200, Barak Korren wrote: Nathan E Norman wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Oh, as for subscription address, maybe we need to tell outlook user how to read their mail header. People

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 06:54:28PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:25:08AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yeah, this listmaster-doesn't-read-the-list thing is puzzling me. I'd have thought reading

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 06:54:28PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:25:08AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yeah, this listmaster-doesn't-read-the-list thing is puzzling me. I'd have thought reading the

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Hall Stevenson
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030328 21:28]: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 06:54:28PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:25:08AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yeah, this

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:55:55 -0500, Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would think that the listmaster for each list would have an interest in the discussions that take place in it. You know, they're a Debian-user like the rest of us ?? List Masters are not there per list.