Hi,
I take test account on
https://www.ekiga.net/index.php?page=services
this works fine with sound and video.
so long
klaus
Am Dienstag, den 24.05.2011, 10:35 +0300 schrieb Dotan Cohen:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 16:01, John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote:
Dotan writes:
Your automobile
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:47, Klaus Wolf kl...@linuxwolf.de wrote:
Hi,
I take test account on
https://www.ekiga.net/index.php?page=services
this works fine with sound and video.
so long
klaus
Thanks. That page is very informative, and the call-back service is
good for
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 16:01, John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote:
Dotan writes:
Your automobile is not charged with the responsibility to protect the
safety of yourself or your passengers.
Neither is your computer. As a simple machine it is incapable of being
responsible for anything.
Dotan writes:
Your automobile is not charged with the responsibility to protect the
safety of yourself or your passengers.
Neither is your computer. As a simple machine it is incapable of being
responsible for anything.
In order to add that responsibility to the automobile, one would have
Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 08:31, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Which the OS allows them, so I pass no blame on the Skype devs.
My automobile allows me to drive w/o being buckled up. Do you blame the
manufacturer or do you blame me for driving w/o
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 00:06, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
Poking holes in the firewall sounds to me like a firewall problem, not
a Skype problem.
If Skype has admin rights, it will use them stealthily.
Why should Skype have admin rights? And what is
On 05/22/2011 11:45 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 00:06, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
Poking holes in the firewall sounds to me like a firewall problem, not
a Skype problem.
If Skype has admin rights, it will use them stealthily.
Why
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 03:30, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Because it thinks it needs system privs? Just like any other app that runs
as root.
Do you run Skype as root? And if you do, then there is no basis to
complain about Skype then using elevated privileges. Just as you don't
On 05/22/2011 10:22 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 03:30, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Because it thinks it needs system privs? Just like any other app that runs
as root.
Do you run Skype as root? And if you do, then there is no basis to
complain about Skype then
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:29, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
I was thinking of setuid() magic.
Again an OS issue, not a Skype issue. I agree that since root must
install Skype, and since root then owns Skype, the application might
setuid. But this is an OS feature, not a Skype
On 05/22/2011 11:22 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:29, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
I was thinking of setuid() magic.
Again an OS issue,
Insofar as the OS provides the feature.
not a Skype issue.
Yet, *if* Skype uses the function it's
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 07:40, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
I was thinking of setuid() magic.
Again an OS issue,
Insofar as the OS provides the feature.
Indeed, this really is a convenience-before-security feature that
reminds me of a certain prolific software vendor. Give me an
Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:29, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
I was thinking of setuid() magic.
Again an OS issue, not a Skype issue. I agree that since root must
install Skype, and since root then owns Skype, the application might
setuid. But this is an OS
On 05/23/2011 12:01 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 07:40, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
[snip]
Yet, *if* Skype uses the function it's because Skype's programmers
programmed Skype to use the function.
Which the OS allows them, so I pass no blame on the Skype devs.
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 08:31, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Which the OS allows them, so I pass no blame on the Skype devs.
My automobile allows me to drive w/o being buckled up. Do you blame the
manufacturer or do you blame me for driving w/o buckling up?
Strawman. Your
On 05/19/2011 06:41 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Hi,
Daniel Andersson wrote:
Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
I was not impressed I'm sorry to say. But I guess Ekiga's strength is
in calls not messaging. Will maybe try that later on.
I was looking at Ekiga for a client
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 19:07, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
A decision to drop or not the Linux version of Skype might depend on
how many Linux users pay for Skype-in and Skype-out.
I'm one such user.
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Hi,
I'm going to snip an awful lot [around 18KB of text email] now, but your
email was a great read! The size was impressive even with the biggish
chunks of referred text, there was plenty of new dialogue.
annathemerm...@hush.com wrote:
So your father bought a new laptop to use XP again.
Hi,
Daniel Andersson wrote:
Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
I was not impressed I'm sorry to say. But I guess Ekiga's strength is in
calls not messaging. Will maybe try that later on.
I was looking at Ekiga for a client solution, but found that even the
plain old and
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 19:37, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
Then there is the whole security risk of using Skype, it pokes it's
own holes through firewalls and takes advantage of super user rights
whenever it can, silently!
Poking holes in the firewall sounds
Hi,
Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 19:37, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
Then there is the whole security risk of using Skype, it pokes it's
own holes through firewalls and takes advantage of super user rights
whenever it can, silently!
Poking
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 02:41:04AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Hi,
Daniel Andersson wrote:
Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
I was not impressed I'm sorry to say. But I guess Ekiga's strength
is in calls not messaging. Will maybe try that later on.
I was looking
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 03:59:39AM +, annathemerm...@hush.com wrote:
Now, if only I could find a SIP client that works on Debian and
OpenBSD (bonus points for Mac OS X Tiger/powerpc too) *and* is
robust enough to deal with my poor internet connection, which
sometimes has 50% packet loss,
From: Daniel Andersson dan...@daniel-gr-andersson.com
To: Leonardo Ruoso leonardo.ru...@gmail.com; debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: So much for Skype.
Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
I
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On 11 May 2011 15:42, Jamie Thompson debian-user@jamie-
thompson.co.uk wrote:
On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik
jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt
Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
I was not impressed I'm sorry to say. But I guess Ekiga's strength is in
calls not messaging. Will maybe try that later on.
/Daniel
On 05/15/2011 02:13 PM, Leonardo Ruoso wrote:
2011/5/15 Daniel Andersson dan...@daniel-gr-andersson.com
I am using twinkle and got my account at
http://serweg.iptel.org/user/
and this works well for me. Skype works with the webcam and
this is not a feature of twinkle.
So perhaps this will be a way:
VLC may used in linux and also on windows. As vlc also is able
to stream to other ip it should
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Andrei Popescu
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mi, 11 mai 11, 17:23:48, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
Moving on to google talk...
Last time I tried to video call my mom (running pidgin on squeeze) my
pidgin crashed. That was a few weeks ago :(
I did get a
On Ma, 17 mai 11, 10:51:53, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
I did get a crash too. I updated both machines with the same version
of google chat and it worked nicely then...
Which kinda' confirms there is a bug, even if there is a workaround.
Regards,
Andrei
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Did you use Google Talk video in Pidgin Andrei?
Is there any other software that is included in a Debian repository,
supports video chat, and is also easy to install on Windows?
Thanks
Daniel
On 05/14/2011 12:16 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Mi, 11 mai 11, 17:23:48, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
2011/5/15 Daniel Andersson dan...@daniel-gr-andersson.com
Did you use Google Talk video in Pidgin Andrei?
Is there any other software that is included in a Debian repository,
supports video chat, and is also easy to install on Windows?
Ekiga?
Thanks
Daniel
On 05/14/2011 12:16 PM,
[top-posting fixed]
On Du, 15 mai 11, 12:54:44, Daniel Andersson wrote:
Last time I tried to video call my mom (running pidgin on squeeze) my
pidgin crashed. That was a few weeks ago :(
Did you use Google Talk video in Pidgin Andrei?
I tried, but as I wrote above, it crashed the moment I
On Mi, 11 mai 11, 17:23:48, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
Moving on to google talk...
Last time I tried to video call my mom (running pidgin on squeeze) my
pidgin crashed. That was a few weeks ago :(
Regards,
Andrei
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peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
A POTS gateway is available from any of several companies.
The cheapest dial-out for my calling pattern is smslisto.com. Seems pretty
good for US and Western Europe (including UK). I haven't compared rates
for other countries, but as soon as you start searching around
On 2011-05-11 5:05 PM, Γαβριήλ Τασιόπουλος wrote:
The problem with social software is that you need to support the
platforms non-technical users are using. That inevitably means Windows
and Macs.
I use a mac and I'd like to think I'm a technical user. Isolating
Linux users from the rest of
Jamie Thompson wrote:
You can't deny that when it comes to home users, the majority of Linux
users are technical users, and the majority of Windows and Mac users are
not. There are always exceptions; some people's relatives like and can
deal with Linux (great!), and likewise, some techies like
In regards to the Mac vs. Windows vs. Linux/BSD Holy War,
...Not really on topic, but I got a chance to upgrade my Back|Track 4R2
laptops to version 5 released a couple days ago. Very Exciting, I tell you
that's some Hot GNU on Linux Action there!
I run Back|Track on my laptops for War
Aaron Toponce said:
Thanks for hijacking the thread. Next time, fork it instead, and change the
subject line.
Thanks,
Awww, I'm just being playful, and the thread has been going in the direction of
who uses what os for what; I don't think it was a hijack.
But whatever, sorry for
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.comwrote:
1/2 of their customer base? Are you implying that of all the subscribers to
Skype, 1/2 of them are on GNU/Linux? Even knowing that the GNU/Linux
desktop market share is less than 2% of the total worldwide? That's a
Aaron Toponce wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:17:17PM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote:
Their Mac support used to include MS office, back in the mid 90s. I know
IT people from that era that said the Mac version of Office was so buggy,
thanks to their putting the Intel debugging
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58:21AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
shaking his head with the inevitability of it
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
shaking his head with the inevitability
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
well, thus the fate of proprietary
On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in
The problem with social software is that you need to support the
platforms non-technical users are using. That inevitably means Windows
and Macs.
I use a mac and I'd like to think I'm a technical user. Isolating
Linux users from the rest of the computer users as more technical and
specialized
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
shaking his head with the inevitability
2011/5/11 Jamie Thompson debian-u...@jamie-thompson.co.uk
On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com
wrote:
This aught to re-ignite the
On Wednesday 11 May, 2011 08:59:24 Aaron Toponce wrote:
First, you're speculating. You have nothing to base your guess on.
Microsoft may not have been the most Linux-friendly company in the world,
but that doesn't mean that they are going to cut the GNU/Linux client of
Skype.
Second,
Hi,
perhaps you can take a look at iptel.org ?
best regards and a nice day
klaus
Am Mittwoch, den 11.05.2011, 16:42 +0100 schrieb Jamie Thompson:
On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, May
First, you're speculating. You have nothing to base your guess on.
Microsoft may not have been the most Linux-friendly company in the world,
but that doesn't mean that they are going to cut the GNU/Linux client of
Skype.
Second,
On Wednesday 11 May, 2011 09:44:07 Aaron Toponce wrote:
I'm failing to see the finger wagging.
What an awful work environment you must have, to have become so enured to such
a negative attitude that you don't notice. And not only that, but to try and
inflict it on others.
I am not going to
On Wed 11 May 2011 at 10:58:21 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
There are no existing alternatives to Skype to develop. So nothing to
re-ignite,
There is re-invention, of course, but who will invest in the
infrastructure to implement
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
shaking his head with the inevitability
On 12 May 2011 05:18, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
well, thus the fate of proprietary software.
On 12 May 2011 06:11, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 May 2011 05:18, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be
Jamie Thompson debian-u...@jamie-thompson.co.uk wrote:
I've not found a decent SIP client yet, let alone a normal user with
a SIP account to call them with.
I find my (VoIP) telephone works really well as a SIP client. My favourite
software SIP client is twinkle. Others will no doubt chip in
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:42:06PM +0100, Jamie Thompson wrote:
In an ideal world, I'd like to see ubiquitous Jingle support, and
properly maintained XMPP transports for each proprietary network, with
Jingle support added to those if possible. A ubiquitous free solution
for NAT traversal would
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:58 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
RMS never liked Skype:
Skype is a special
- Original Message -
From: Mathieu Malaterre mathieu.malate...@gmail.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: So much for Skype
People need to realise that not everyone uses linux because it's
open-source. Some use it because it's cheap, reliable, easy to use and
works better than windows on old machines. This kind of users, as
small as it may be for the time being, are still potential clients for
skype's paid services.
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58:21AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
well, thus the fate of proprietary
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