Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Weaver
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:50:37 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2011-09-23 07:15 +0200, Weaver wrote: That's one way, but new tech is getting to the stage where it won't work off a standard BIOS. You need the UEFI base to handle such things as the new 4 TB drives from Seagate

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/09/11 15:15, Weaver wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:04:51 +1000 Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/09/11 09:01, Alex wrote: snipped empire' did actually achieve that draconian, monopolistic goal. Regards Alex Check out Coreboot - and research before

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/09/11 15:50, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2011-09-23 07:15 +0200, Weaver wrote: That's one way, but new tech is getting to the stage where it won't work off a standard BIOS. You need the UEFI base to handle such things as the new 4 TB drives from Seagate and Hitachi now. No, you don't.

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alex: Any comments on the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware and its ability to preclude booting from alternative operating systems such as Linux, BSD etc., would be greatly appreciated, as per article entitled Windows 8 secure boot would exclude' Linux It seems to me

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/09/11 18:24, Florian Weimer wrote: * Alex: Any comments on the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware and its ability to preclude booting from alternative operating systems such as Linux, BSD etc., would be greatly appreciated, as per article entitled Windows 8 secure

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:18:07 +1000, Alex wrote: Any comments on the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware and its ability to preclude booting from alternative operating systems such as Linux, BSD etc., would be greatly appreciated, as per article entitled Windows 8 secure boot

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:18:07 +1000, Alex wrote: Any comments on the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware and its ability to preclude booting from alternative operating systems such as Linux, BSD etc., would

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread chris
We can all see where this is going... MS has OEM's lockout UEFI, some new team will pop up and start the PC jailbreak/unlock scene, MS will cry that its illegal, court wont even understand wtf is going on, etc, etc ... :) On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri,

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread John Foster
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:31 AM, chris tknch...@gmail.com wrote: We can all see where this is going... MS has OEM's lockout UEFI, some new team will pop up and start the PC jailbreak/unlock scene, MS will cry that its illegal, court wont even understand wtf is going on, etc, etc ... :) On

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:31 AM, chris tknch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:18:07 +1000, Alex wrote: Any comments on the Unified Extensible Firmware

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 23. September 2011 schrieb Alex: Any comments on the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware and its ability to preclude booting from alternative operating systems such as Linux, BSD etc., would be greatly appreciated, as per article entitled Windows 8 secure boot

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 23. September 2011 schrieb Alex: Any comments on the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware and its ability to preclude booting from alternative operating systems such as Linux, BSD etc., would be greatly appreciated, as per article entitled Windows 8 secure boot

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Chris! Please avoid TUFO. Am Freitag, 23. September 2011 schrieb chris: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Scott Ferguson Check out Coreboot - and research before buying a device/motherboard. but does coreboot support uefi? Sometimes I think: Better not. ;) I twice tried half a day

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 23. September 2011 schrieb Weaver: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:04:51 +1000 Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/09/11 09:01, Alex wrote: [...] Check out Coreboot - and research before buying a device/motherboard. That's one way, but new tech is getting to

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-23 Thread Weaver
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:49:01 +0200 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Freitag, 23. September 2011 schrieb Alex: Any comments on the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware and its ability to preclude booting from alternative operating systems such as Linux, BSD

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-22 Thread John Foster
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Alex avko...@hotmail.com wrote: Any comments on the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware and its ability to preclude booting from alternative operating systems such as Linux, BSD etc., would be greatly appreciated, as per article entitled

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-22 Thread Alex
Thanks for the quick reply, John. It is a long time ago that I hacked any BIOS, and then it was only with tools made available by the manufacturer to boot the machine in the first place, that I have forgotten / no knowledge of how this may be achieved. In any case, I was always under the

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/09/11 09:01, Alex wrote: Thanks for the quick reply, John. It is a long time ago that I hacked any BIOS, and then it was only with tools made available by the manufacturer to boot the machine in the first place, that I have forgotten / no knowledge of how this may be achieved. In any

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-22 Thread chris
but does coreboot support uefi? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/09/11 09:01, Alex wrote: Thanks for the quick reply, John. It is a long time ago that I hacked any BIOS, and then it was only with tools made available by the

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/09/11 12:05, chris wrote: but does coreboot support uefi? A. Coreboot is not a commitment (you'd don't have to give up your BIOS/UEFI. B. Maybe. I haven't had time to read the articles but this might be imformative:- http://blogs.coreboot.org/blog/category/uefi/ snipped - and *please*

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-22 Thread Weaver
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:04:51 +1000 Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/09/11 09:01, Alex wrote: Thanks for the quick reply, John. It is a long time ago that I hacked any BIOS, and then it was only with tools made available by the manufacturer to boot the machine

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-22 Thread Weaver
These are the drives I was talking about. Hitachi have put out two the same size. Careful which one of those you buy. One has a far slower spindle speed than the other. Seagate has already advertised a 4 TB internal drive on its way. That's where the UEFI will come into it's own. But with external

Re: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware

2011-09-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-09-23 07:15 +0200, Weaver wrote: That's one way, but new tech is getting to the stage where it won't work off a standard BIOS. You need the UEFI base to handle such things as the new 4 TB drives from Seagate and Hitachi now. No, you don't. You need GPT, which works fine with a