Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 19:15:05, Dennis Clarke wrote: I'd say it's quite well documented, see 'man hier'. well, yes, it is in a man page but not really a ratified standard or anything of that sort. One can create a man page for anything but, I see your point. I'm not so sure you do (but my

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [snip] If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system with almost nothing. Even less is not present in such an installation :D I keep a list of all the packages I normally use and then get the same ones when I install

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
The original poster shouldn't care about this discussion. It's interesting for people with some experience using Linux and who have got special needs. The release of Debian called stable is always the official released version of Debian. Ordinary users should use this version. -

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Brad Alexander
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [snip] If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system with almost nothing. Even less is not present in such an installation :D I keep a

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
[snip] For a normal usage, testing is better, even if the project claims it is not for production environment. More recent kernels and drivers which means more supported hardware, and updated web browsers are some obvious interesting points here. They are simply the most obvious.

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 11:15:23, Brad Alexander wrote: I run a script nightly to capture the package list, debconf database, disk information (df, df -h, and fdisk -l), and autoinstalled packages list for every host in my network. What this allows me to do is have a pool of generic hosts

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 14:24:10, Dennis Clarke wrote: I think, and this is a WAG ( Wild As* Guess ), there is a defacto undocumented standard in the linux world which seems to say that stuff in /usr/local is just local to that given system and never touched by a package update. I'd say it's

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Joe
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:24:10 -0500 Dennis Clarke dcla...@blastwave.org wrote: [snip] For a normal usage, testing is better, even if the project claims it is not for production environment. More recent kernels and drivers which means more supported hardware, and updated web

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
- Original Message - From: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com Date: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:07 pm Subject: Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Lu, 21 ian 13, 14:24:10, Dennis Clarke wrote: I think

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 20 ian 13, 08:23:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote: A disadvantage for Debian compared to Arch IMO is, that Debian e.g. installs and starts all kinds of services, installs all kinds of apps etc. a user might not need. There is no such thing as Debian installs. Even in normal mode of the Debian

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.01.2013 07:46, Yaro Kasear a écrit : On 01/20/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Debian probably won't be doing the switch to systemd. Systemd required very Linux-specific kernel features and Debian has a couple non-Linux ports that'd make going systemd impractical (However I believe

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:01:37 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: my wishes are not to start a war here We could save time and uproar, if we simply link to already existing flame wars :D. My apologies, I guess we are to OT for the OP. @ the OP: don't worry about what we were

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.01.2013 00:07, ventur...@yahoo.com a écrit : Hello: Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the trouble-shooting process. Thank you! Sincerely, Herschel I think main problems is lack of

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Yaro Kasear
On 01/19/2013 05:07 PM, ventur...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello: Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the trouble-shooting process. Thank you! Sincerely, Herschel Maybe the primary problem comes

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:07:19 +0100, ventur...@yahoo.com wrote: Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the trouble-shooting process. For averaged usage there aren't common problems. What ever

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:36:45 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Some examples I am thinking about is support for recent NVidia cards, various wifi or sound chip-sets which do not always have free drivers. The common way to solve those problems is by adding non-free repositories, and

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:39:55 +0100, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: Linux system I'd recommend Arch instead. Which I don't call a rolling release. Arch was my preferred distro. If you have a distro with releases you can make hard transitions. For Ubuntu the transition from init to

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Yaro Kasear
On 01/19/2013 06:55 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:39:55 +0100, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: Linux system I'd recommend Arch instead. Which I don't call a rolling release. Arch was my preferred distro. If you have a distro with releases you can make hard transitions.

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:59:42 +0100, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: Even the non-free stuff provided for Debian in their official repos or in many third party repos is perfectly safe and usable. non-free provided by Debian is safe regarding to third party repos the OP should ask the list

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Yaro Kasear
On 01/20/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:59:42 +0100, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: Even the non-free stuff provided for Debian in their official repos or in many third party repos is perfectly safe and usable. non-free provided by Debian is safe regarding to

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Thierry Chatelet
SNIP it also caused that the mailing list became moderated and some users were completely banned from the list.SNIP If you mean 'this' mailing list been moderated, my guess is you are mistaken. And are you positive about people being blacklisted? That would be pretty bad, dont you think?

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 08:08:21 +0100, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr wrote: SNIP it also caused that the mailing list became moderated and some users were completely banned from the list.SNIP If you mean 'this' mailing list been moderated, my guess is you are mistaken. And are you positive