Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-19 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-11-10 10:35:58, schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: and if this helps, you should probably install udev (and hotplug) to have such things done automatically whenever you try to access floppy disk. While you are talking about... HOW do you prevent discover, hotplug and udev to load 107

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-19 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Am 2006-11-10 10:35:58, schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: and if this helps, you should probably install udev (and hotplug) to have such things done automatically whenever you try to access floppy disk. On 19.11.06 03:47, Michelle Konzack wrote: While you are talking about... HOW do you

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-10 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Am 2006-10-28 17:47:55, schrieb Kent West: I have just 30 minutes ago tried to use three 3.5 floppies on two different machines, and can't get anywhere with them. I decided to put it on the back burner and read my email when I came across your post. I've tried cfdisk and fdisk to look

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-10 Thread Kent West
Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-10-28 17:47:55, schrieb Kent West: I have just 30 minutes ago tried to use three 3.5 floppies on two different machines, and can't get anywhere with them. I decided to put it on the back burner and read my email when I came across your post. I've tried

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-09 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-10-28 17:47:55, schrieb Kent West: I have just 30 minutes ago tried to use three 3.5 floppies on two different machines, and can't get anywhere with them. I decided to put it on the back burner and read my email when I came across your post. I've tried cfdisk and fdisk to look at

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:34:14AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Also, everything I was able to find via Google and a specific instruction on this list mentioned using fdformat -n ...fd0u1440 or ...fd0H1440. Whereas the man page for fdformat does indeed mention using setfdprm, it says it in this

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
Kent West wrote: That's nuts! I made this change also, and now superformat worked without complaining, and the one floppy I've tried (which previously I could not format to save my life) seems to be working fine. Even though I was telling some of the utilities I was trying to use what

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-02 Thread Mark Grieveson
Hi Doug. I just noticed your answer in the Debian forum archives to my question about floppies on the mailing list (I must have missed the response in email). Anyway, thanks, that's helpful. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-01 Thread Mike McCarty
Zbigniew Wiech wrote: * * * but instead are given the following lecture: mount: i could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified. The answer, of course, is, it's a floppy, you stupid machine. Floppy is not the name of a file system, and more than one file system has

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-11-01 Thread Hugh Lawson
Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This thread got me to wondering about my own floppies, which I have not checked in some time. I tried to access several floppies, all unsuccessfully. I OTOH just mounted successfully some floppies that were made about fifteen years ago. -- Hugh Lawson

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 30.10.06 11:45, Mark Grieveson wrote: I've been following this thread with interest, since I was the one who initially expressed his exasperation over Linux coughing up floppies like so much sour milk. Anyway, I finally did find a floppy that was actually mounted by my system (of

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Zbigniew Wiech
* * * but instead are given the following lecture: mount: i could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified. The answer, of course, is, it's a floppy, you stupid machine. Mark Change file type of /dev/fd0 line in /etc/fstab from auto to vfat I had the same problem and it

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/31/06 01:31, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: [This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Grieveson wrote: [snip] But the best advice is just avoid floppy disks if you possibly can. Fry's has a 1 GB

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Grieveson
* * * but instead are given the following lecture: mount: i could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified. The answer, of course, is, it's a floppy, you stupid machine. Mark Change file type of /dev/fd0 line in /etc/fstab from auto to vfat I had the same problem and it

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro
Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: But the best advice is just avoid floppy disks if you possibly can. Fry's has a 1 GB USB flash drive for US$15 after the rebate. That's 700 floppies' worth and it fits on your keyring. They had a 128 MB drive for three bucks. Floppies are obsolete. I saw one

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro
Mark Grieveson wrote: * * * but instead are given the following lecture: mount: i could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified. The answer, of course, is, it's a floppy, you stupid machine. Mark Change file type of /dev/fd0 line in /etc/fstab from auto to vfat I had

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:01:54PM -0500, Mark Grieveson wrote: * * * but instead are given the following lecture: mount: i could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified. The answer, of course, is, it's a floppy, you stupid machine. Mark Change file type of

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/31/06 19:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:01:54PM -0500, Mark Grieveson wrote: [snip] You shouldn't have to mount a floppy if you're going to format it. In fact, you *can't* mkfs a mounted partition, can you? - -- Ron

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 07:43:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/31/06 19:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:01:54PM -0500, Mark Grieveson wrote: [snip] You shouldn't have to mount a floppy if you're going to format it.

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Grieveson
Thanks, that seems to help. Perhaps having it on auto sets up a Catch-22, wherein a floppy that needs to be formatted cannot be due to the requirement of the program having to determine the file system first (which requires that it be formatted). Or maybe not. Anyway, I've had better

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Kent West
Mark Grieveson wrote: Thanks, that seems to help. Perhaps having it on auto sets up a Catch-22, wherein a floppy that needs to be formatted cannot be due to the requirement of the program having to determine the file system first (which requires that it be formatted). Or maybe not.

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Kent West
Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 07:08:53PM -0600, Kent West wrote: sudo fdformat -n /dev/.static/dev/fd0u1440 I have to wonder how you came up with that, vs reading the man page for fdformat(8). Because the man page for fdformat only mentions the /dev/fd* paths, but such

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Kent West
Marc Wilson wrote: Further, why wouldn't you just use superformat(1)? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk sudo superformat /dev/fd0 hd Password: Measuring drive 0's raw capacity In order to avoid this time consuming measurement in the future, add the following line to /etc/driveprm: drive0:

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Mark Grieveson
I've been following this thread with interest, since I was the one who initially expressed his exasperation over Linux coughing up floppies like so much sour milk. Anyway, I finally did find a floppy that was actually mounted by my system (of course, later, my computer rejected it as not

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Marc Shapiro
Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 07:08:53PM -0600, Kent West wrote: sudo fdformat -n /dev/.static/dev/fd0u1440 I have to wonder how you came up with that, vs reading the man page for fdformat(8). That tells you to use setfdprm(8) to set the parameters of the generic device

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Mark Grieveson
I did try to use superformat. It seemed to do the low level format OK, but then it got to running mformat and the drive just made a whole lot of noise and eventually gave me the following error: This is exactly what happens with me as well. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Cameron L. Spitzer
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Grieveson wrote: I did try to use superformat. It seemed to do the low level format OK, but then it got to running mformat and the drive just made a whole lot of noise and eventually gave me the

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 12:17:45AM -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: Mark Grieveson wrote: Has anyone else noticed how awful Linux has become for dealing with floppies (aka A-drive)? Years ago it was not bad, but now, even mtoolsfm doesn't seem to work. . . Mark It's

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread David Baron
OK. I just put floppies in my drive, doubleclicked the desktop icon, had them mount and display their contents. No problems at all. I have never had any problems with them. These were formatted in Windows or DOS a while back. One is a Win98 boot floppy which I used very well in Qemu to install

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Cameron L. Spitzer
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kent West wrote: I have just 30 minutes ago tried to use three 3.5 floppies on two different machines, and can't get anywhere with them. I decided to put it on the back burner and read my email when I came

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Kent West
Douglas Tutty wrote: If you look in your /etc/fstab for the entry under floppy, you'll probably see something like: /dev/fd0/floppyautouser,noauto00 Its the 'auto' that's the problem. Try mounting it manually to determine what types to put here. You mean

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Kent West
Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: Could be the media. Try scraping the mold off with a couple of fdformat -n /dev/fd0u1440 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk sudo fdformat -n /dev/fd0u1440 /dev/fd0u1440: No such file or directory Hmm; apparently udev makes this command slightly obsolete now

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 06:42:33PM -0600, Kent West wrote: /dev/fd0/floppyautouser,noauto00 Its the 'auto' that's the problem. Try mounting it manually to determine what types to put here. You mean like: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Kent West
Kent West wrote: I'm going to try another couple of floppies, and via Knoppix. I just tried yet another floppy, and although it looked like it formatted properly, and I was able to copy a few files to it and read those files from it, I then did the verify thing again: [EMAIL

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Kent West
Kent West wrote: Kent West wrote: I'm going to try another couple of floppies, and via Knoppix. I just tried yet another floppy, and although it looked like it formatted properly, and I was able to copy a few files to it and read those files from it, I then did the verify

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Kent West
Kent West wrote: Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: Try scraping the mold off with a couple of fdformat -n /dev/fd0u1440 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk sudo fdformat -n /dev/fd0u1440 /dev/fd0u1440: No such file or directory Hmm; apparently udev makes this command slightly obsolete now

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 07:39:07PM -0600, Kent West wrote: Kent West wrote: So I'm leaning toward two bad floppy drives in two machines within my house. I'll know more when I can try these floppies in a third and maybe fourth Debian box at work tomorrow. It could be just dirty heads. You

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 07:08:53PM -0600, Kent West wrote: sudo fdformat -n /dev/.static/dev/fd0u1440 I have to wonder how you came up with that, vs reading the man page for fdformat(8). That tells you to use setfdprm(8) to set the parameters of the generic device before trying to use it.

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 13:29, Mark Grieveson wrote: Has anyone else noticed how awful Linux has become for dealing with floppies (aka A-drive)? Years ago it was not bad, but now, even mtoolsfm doesn't seem to work. All of these floppies work in Windows

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-28 Thread Kent West
Mark Grieveson wrote: Has anyone else noticed how awful Linux has become for dealing with floppies (aka A-drive)? Years ago it was not bad, but now, even mtoolsfm doesn't seem to work. All of these floppies work in Windows and/or dos drives. I find this to be the case on various different

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 17:47, Kent West wrote: Mark Grieveson wrote: Has anyone else noticed how awful Linux has become for dealing with floppies (aka A-drive)? Years ago it was not bad, but now, even mtoolsfm doesn't seem to work. All of these floppies

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-28 Thread Kent West
Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/28/06 17:47, Kent West wrote: Mark Grieveson wrote: Has anyone else noticed how awful Linux has become for dealing with floppies (aka A-drive)? I have just 30 minutes ago tried to use three 3.5 floppies on two different machines, and can't get anywhere with

Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-28 Thread Mark Grieveson
Mark Grieveson wrote: Has anyone else noticed how awful Linux has become for dealing with floppies (aka A-drive)? Years ago it was not bad, but now, even mtoolsfm doesn't seem to work. . . Mark I have just 30 minutes ago tried to use three 3.5 floppies on two different