Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-03-02 16:32:26, schrieb David Fox: On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or links or some other text browser to dump html

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Douglas, Am 2008-03-02 15:59:16, schrieb Douglas A. Tutty: Hello all, I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. Right, if you use only Linux... I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some people run virus scanners on their email

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-03-02 17:29:09, schrieb Andrew Sackville-West: On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 08:16:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I never read mail as root, it all gets redirected to me, dtutty. OTOH, dtutty is in lots of groups: ssh, adm, staff so something nasty could do snip based on the above, I

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:11:43PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or links or some other text browser to dump html messages to plain text for

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: It's called social engineering. want free porn?!? compile this! You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope of seeing some free porn. Compile? wget http://pr0n.sh/ | sh -- Tzafrir Cohen |

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: For that to work, various helper apps would have to be run as root or with root privileges. Normally i would not suspect a pic or other 'data' to try and be executable anyway. By definition, if your user can send mail, your can serve

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: It's called social engineering. want free porn?!? compile this! You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope of seeing some free porn.

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 12:08:37PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: On 03/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: It's called social engineering. want free porn?!? compile this! You'd be surprised how many Windows

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread David Fox
On 3/2/08, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope of seeing some free porn. One word: PornBuntu. World domination,. :) Dotan Cohen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread David Fox
On 3/3/08, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By definition, if your user can send mail, your can serve as a spam zombie. True enough. The one time that happened to me I had installed some extra apache packages that were vulnerable, so some spammer basically was able to hijack my box, and

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, David Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True enough. The one time that happened to me I had installed some extra apache packages that were vulnerable, so some spammer basically was able to hijack my box, and send stock and other spams out. I was able to get it stopped but the cleanup

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or links or some other text browser

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 06:24:51PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: On 03/03/2008, David Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True enough. The one time that happened to me I had installed some extra apache packages that were vulnerable, so some spammer basically was able to hijack my box, and send stock

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 09:06:43AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sql injections are 'data' trying to be executable, aren't they? I know that generally folks aren't trying to open sql attachements (whatever the hell that might

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're in agreement that lack of root access only an impediment, not a preventative. I'd so like to take that out of context. I won't be lewd in a public mailing list. Won't be lewd. Must... Control... Self... Dotan Cohen

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 11:59:24PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're in agreement that lack of root access only an impediment, not a preventative. I'd so like to take that out of context. I won't be lewd in a public

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: It's called social engineering. want free porn?!? compile this! You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope of seeing some free porn. It is amusing[1] to see attachments that are supposedly .jpg files

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 05:01:06PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: sql injections are 'data' trying to be executable, aren't they? I know that generally folks aren't trying to open sql attachements (whatever the hell that might mean) from mutt... SQL injections are completely different

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dave Thayer
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that can break e.g. mutt that mutt will be fixed around the same time as a virus scanner

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 03:33:01PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 05:01:06PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: sql injections are 'data' trying to be executable, aren't they? I know that generally folks aren't trying to open sql attachements (whatever the hell

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that can break e.g. mutt that mutt will be fixed around the same time as a

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread David Fox
On 3/2/08, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that save the viruses and other malware from the attachments then forward them to spammers remove me

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 02/03/2008, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some people run virus scanners on their email (not just as anti-spam) and wonder if I

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some people run virus scanners on their email (not just as anti-spam) and I

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some people run virus scanners on their email (not just as anti-spam) and wonder

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 15:59 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that can break e.g. mutt that mutt will be fixed around the same time as a virus

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 10:08:33PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some people

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread David Fox
On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or links or some other text browser to dump html messages to plain text For that to work,

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or links or some other text

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/02/08 14:59, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some people run virus scanners on their email (not just

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 05:01:06PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, that's the whole point of an exploit -- providing some _thing_, data or code, that causes a

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 08:16:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 05:01:06PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, that's the whole point of

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Octavio Alvarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 15:59 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that can break

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in various helpers used by mutt