Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 11:33:34AM +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: On 20/08/2020 10:08, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-08-13 01:31, David Christensen wrote: Without knowing anything about your resources, needs, expectations, "consistent backup plan", etc., and given the choices ext2, ext3,

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-19 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 20/08/2020 10:08, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-08-13 01:31, David Christensen wrote: Without knowing anything about your resources, needs, expectations, "consistent backup plan", etc., and given the choices ext2, ext3, or ext4 for an external USB drive presumably to store backup

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-19 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-13 01:31, David Christensen wrote: On 8/12/20 5:14 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive.  I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 14 aug 20, 10:31:51, David Wright wrote: > > I'm dubious whether I shall ever start using these filesystems. > I create multiple backups on ext4 filesystems on LUKS, and keep > MD5 digests of their contents. Would that qualify as your > "additional tools"? Assuming you are also

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-14 Thread David Wright
On Fri 14 Aug 2020 at 08:25:20 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 12 aug 20, 20:14:03, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an > > external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I > > think I want to

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-14 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:31:08AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:32:13PM +, ghe2001 wrote: > >Two for sure and put them in a RAID1 -- formatted ext4. And watch that > >mdstat. > > > >And a third or fourth to see if you can get ZFS going. > > For playing around

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:32:13PM +, ghe2001 wrote: Two for sure and put them in a RAID1 -- formatted ext4. And watch that mdstat. And a third or fourth to see if you can get ZFS going. For playing around with tech, sure: for part of a mundane, reliable backup strategy for the OP, and as

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 12 aug 20, 20:14:03, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an > external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I > think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is > any >

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-13 01:31, David Christensen wrote: > Migrating to ZFS was non-trivial, and I am still wresting with > disaster preparedness. I should have qualified that -- when I used ZFS only as a volume manager and file system, it was not much harder than md and ext4. You could put a GPT

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Tom Dial
On 8/13/20 13:52, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:45:59 PM Tom Dial wrote: >> Debian ZFS root (and boot) is not *that* hard; see the instructions at >> >> https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20B >> uster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html >>

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 04:09:46 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-13 12:52, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:45:59 PM Tom Dial wrote: > >> I would recommend installing from buster-backports to get the current > >> openzfs release which includes

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:50 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > D. R. Evans wrote: > > > Greg Wooledge wrote on 8/13/20 2:29 PM: > > > > > The simplest answer would be to use ext4. > > > > I concur, given the OP's use

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Dan Ritter
D. R. Evans wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote on 8/13/20 2:29 PM: > > > > > The simplest answer would be to use ext4. > > > > I concur, given the OP's use case. And I speak as someone who raves about ZFS > at every reasonable opportunity :-) Also concur. But by all means buy a spare drive and

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread D. R. Evans
Greg Wooledge wrote on 8/13/20 2:29 PM: > > The simplest answer would be to use ext4. > I concur, given the OP's use case. And I speak as someone who raves about ZFS at every reasonable opportunity :-) Doc -- Web: http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 01:09:46PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-13 12:52, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > * Most of my backup will be done from a Wheezy system -- can I install > > ZFS > > on Wheezy? > > I do not see any ZFS packages for Wheezy: > > The simplest answer would

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-13 12:52, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:45:59 PM Tom Dial wrote: Debian ZFS root (and boot) is not *that* hard; see the instructions at https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20B uster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html They

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:45:59 PM Tom Dial wrote: > Debian ZFS root (and boot) is not *that* hard; see the instructions at > > https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20B > uster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html > > They certainly are not harder than installing early

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread local10
Aug 13, 2020, 00:14 by rhkra...@gmail.com: > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an > external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I > think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is > any > good

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Tom Dial
On 8/13/20 02:31, David Christensen wrote: > On 8/12/20 5:14 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >> I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up >> to an >> external USB drive.  I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to >> use, I >> think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread tomas
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 09:15:21PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:14:03 -0400 > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up > > to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable > > filesystem to use, I

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread tomas
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:55:35PM +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > On 13/08/2020 12:14, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an > >external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I > >think I want to stay

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread David Christensen
On 8/12/20 5:14 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is any good reason to use

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-12 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:14:03 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up > to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable > filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and > I'm wondering if there is

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-12 Thread Mark Allums
On 8/12/2020 7:14 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is any good reason to use

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-12 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 13/08/2020 12:14, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is any good reason to use

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-12 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 13/8/20 10:14 am, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is any good reason to use

Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-12 Thread rhkramer
I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is any good reason to use anything beyond ext2? (Some day I'll try ZFS