Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread s. keeling
thveillon.debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > So "please don't break my system to often/badly" is what I meant, and of > course keep making Debian the best os ever ;-) Welcome aboard. FYI, when Etch went stable there were posts in here along the lines of, "I just did a dist-upgrade, and it ran cl

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 04:22:53PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:28:40AM -0500, Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso wrote: > > > But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you like bugs and can > > live with bugs, then use testing. If you don't like bugs, then run > > stable.

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Carl Fink
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:28:40AM -0500, Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso wrote: > But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you like bugs and can > live with bugs, then use testing. If you don't like bugs, then run > stable. One of my hobbies is translating English into English. The above tr

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Jamie Griffin
> > I don't know how you are running Sidux AND Debian Sid. Apologies, wan't too clear. The distro called sidux; its core system is Debian sid (as far as i understand) > On Sid, I run apt-get upgrade about twice a week, read the output of > apt-listbugs and then do the same for dist-upgrade. W

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread thveillon.debian
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso a écrit : On 05/06/2008, thveillon.debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Testing [snip] has always been at least as reliable as Ubuntu. That's not saying much. ;-) But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you like bugs and can live with bugs, then

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 18:50 +0100, Jamie Griffin wrote: > I'm sure there is some documentation i read on this, but as the testing > release has been brought up, > thought i'd take advantage of the knowledge from you guys who have been using > it a lot. > > On sidux running Debian sid, I don'

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Jamie Griffin
I'm sure there is some documentation i read on this, but as the testing release has been brought up, thought i'd take advantage of the knowledge from you guys who have been using it a lot. On sidux running Debian sid, it was recommended to do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' regularly (ie, every few

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-04 10:02:13, schrieb Patrick Wiseman: > So? I've been using testing for years, and have found it to be > remarkably stable - it's remarkable precisely because it IS 'testing'. How can this be with the perl 5.10 transition? The half of my system was down even by upgrading every day...

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:21 +0100, Jamie Griffin wrote: > > Testing is the right choice for me, and if it no longer is I would move > > to another distro immediately. Etch doesn't even install on many recent > > machines. > > I too am just a regular user. I have been using sidux and found it t

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:28 -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: > On 05/06/2008, thveillon.debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Testing > [snip] > > has always been at least as reliable as Ubuntu. > > > That's not saying much. ;-) > > But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you li

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 05/06/2008, thveillon.debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Testing [snip] > has always been at least as reliable as Ubuntu. That's not saying much. ;-) But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you like bugs and can live with bugs, then use testing. If you don't like bugs, then run

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Jamie Griffin
> Testing is the right choice for me, and if it no longer is I would move > to another distro immediately. Etch doesn't even install on many recent > machines. I too am just a regular user. I have been using sidux and found it to be sound os and have just put Debian testing on my laptop a few

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread thveillon.debian
Damon L. Chesser a écrit : On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:19 +0100, thveillon.debian wrote: Damon L. Chesser a écrit : SNIP I'm just an average Testing user, have been for a while, and around me almost every Debian users I know are using Testing, mostly because it's the Debian'

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:19 +0100, thveillon.debian wrote: > Damon L. Chesser a écrit : SNIP > > > I'm just an average Testing user, have been for a while, and around me > almost every Debian users I know are using Testing, mostly because it's > the Debian's flavour which can compare with othe

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread thveillon.debian
Damon L. Chesser a écrit : On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 01:11 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: - Forwarded message from Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dat

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 01:11 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > - Forwarded message from Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) > (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) > From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 1

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008-06-04 18:10, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > IMHO you should at least quote him with the proper context. > (E.g.: his clarifications in some messages that followed). IMHO his clarifications just confirm that *IMHO* he takes the decision to remove packa

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:19:33PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I wrote: > > And in fact, for (using a number I just pulled out of thin air) 90% of the > > time I've been using Debian, going back to Slink, Stable has been so > > obsolete as to be hard to use for anything but some servers. > > H

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:57AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:13AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > > So? I've been using testing for years, and have found it to be > > remarkably stable - it's remarkable precisely because it IS 'testing'. > > Sometimes (rarely) thi

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 06:05:49PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > This may be more interesting [1]: > > Pierre Habouzit wrote: > [...] > > No it's not. The principal goal of testing is to evaluate what > > would be our next stable if we tri

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This may be more interesting [1]: Pierre Habouzit wrote: [...] > No it's not. The principal goal of testing is to evaluate what > would be our next stable if we tried to release *RIGHT NOW*. > Packages with RC bugs cannot be part of a release, so must

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Michal Kapalka
Carl Fink wrote: > On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:13AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > >> So? I've been using testing for years, and have found it to be >> remarkably stable - it's remarkable precisely because it IS 'testing'. >> Sometimes (rarely) things break, but that's something I prefer to >

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:13AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > So? I've been using testing for years, and have found it to be > remarkably stable - it's remarkable precisely because it IS 'testing'. > Sometimes (rarely) things break, but that's something I prefer to > live with so that I can

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Forwarded message from Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) > (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) > From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tu

Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Chris Bannister
- Forwarded message from Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:14:03 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug#484129: release.d