Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-12 Thread hendrik
Some thing I wish for are A diagnostic index -- solutions indexed by symptom. IBM once had one of these for OS/2. It starts with common classes of complaints, like, the screen stays black, and ends up in a tree of possibilities. Obvious things like make sure it's turned on. Unobvious things,

Re: tools Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-12 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 01:13:55AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: webmin is the purrfect example to me of what's broken, but is agoo dstart for beginners that like to point-n-click because if you looked at the files, what to change in the config files would be deep void - it's close

Re: tools Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-12 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya hendrik On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never been able fo figure out what webmin does in sufficient detail to enable me to use it. i know webmin is broken in terms of creating the correct config files ... ( or good enuff for some .. but not the silly boat i want )

Re: tools Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-12 Thread hendrik
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:09:57AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya hendrik On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never been able fo figure out what webmin does in sufficient detail to enable me to use it. i know webmin is broken in terms of creating the correct config

tools Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-08 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya andy On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Andy Streich wrote: But I expect you to have something in mind as well -- something of your own that has motivated you to create a new Debian site. yup.. :-) Anyway, I'd love to see not just docs for new users but configuration software that plays an

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-08 Thread Steve Kemp
My ideal website would be one that combined the material in the really useful http://www.debian-administration.org/ :) with simpler guides for less experienced users (such as, the basics of aptitude, how to install Nvidia/ATI 3d drivers, or the basics of Debian-specific commands like

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tuesday, 6 December 2005 at 21:43:15 -0600, Josh King wrote: Hey all, Currently I am the lead admin/webmaster of DebCentral.org. I really would like to take a few minutes out of your life to gather some inputs on an idea I have. [...] subject was the basis of an article written by a

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
Richard Lyons wrote: I'm half inclined to ignore this post as merely promotional, but debcentral looks fairly interesting, even if I couldn't create an account on its wiki (that part of the form missing). Thanks for the ideas and suggestions. I am hoping that we can accomplish some kind of

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Crean
Josh King wrote: Hey all, Currently I am the lead admin/webmaster of DebCentral.org. I really would like to take a few minutes out of your life to gather some inputs on an idea I have. [snip] I wonder if you or colleagues have taken a good look at what other distros and their users are

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Crean
Antony Gelberg wrote: [snip] I like the one-question FAQ: I want to get more involved with DebCentral, what can I do to help? WHo (sic) do I need to contact? What an informative resource. The OP's post was sincere and his questions worthwhile. His site is also new and so not yet fully

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
Josh King wrote: Don't take this the wrong way, but you asked. What is the point of your site existing? What does it achieve that has not already been achieved elsewhere, better? I like the one-question FAQ: I want to get more involved with DebCentral, what can I do to help? WHo (sic)

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
I wonder if you or colleagues have taken a good look at what other distros and their users are doing with regard to websites. Perhaps some ideas may come of it? The only other ones I know well are SuSE and Ubuntu. SuSE's online presence is also a little bitty and spread around, largely

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
Antony Gelberg wrote: I don't understand what you want to do other than run a website and collaborate with other websites, whatever that means in this instance. What I want to do is cut down on the redundancy. Whether I run it or not is irrelevant. I would like to be involved, yes.

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Katipo
Mark Crean wrote: However, in my experience running a website is a great deal of hard work and many people start to flag after three months or so. Many other people enjoy running their own show and wouldn't want to combine into a bigger one, other than as, perhaps, an item in a web ring.

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Andy Streich
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 01:26 pm, Katipo wrote: Mark Crean wrote: However, in my experience running a website is a great deal of hard work and many people start to flag after three months or so. Many other people enjoy running their own show and wouldn't want to combine into a

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
Andy Streich wrote: Sometimes it's about the personal requirement for individual recognition, but other times it has more to do with an individual having a vision and trying it out. That's not something we should be pushing back on. Sure it would be nice if all these people found a way to

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Alvin Oga
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Mark Crean wrote: The OP's post was sincere and his questions worthwhile. His site is also new and so not yet fully worked out, so far as I can tell. I think he deserves more than you appear able to give. yes .. always give credit to those willing to put in time and

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Alvin Oga
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Andy Streich wrote: Sometimes it's about the personal requirement for individual recognition, but other times it has more to do with an individual having a vision and trying it out. That's not something we should be pushing back on. Sure it would be nice if all

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
Alvin Oga wrote: yes .. always give credit to those willing to put in time and effort into free documentation and other relevant info ... - and if they are looking for helpers, one could step in and help fix the problems they're having what someone doesn't like may be what

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Alvin Oga
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Josh King wrote: All I can do is give my assurances that I plan to be in this for the duration. Those who know me know I'm not one to give up easily ;-) yup... from what i can see so far .. As for help to fix the problems, I would welcome anyone willing to roll up

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Andy Streich
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 05:26 pm, Josh King wrote: So, the question is still open. What is all the Debian-related material we all wish for? At least in your view? I've received several inputs on this, both on and off this list. Its given us a good direction to start with, but I'd like to

Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-06 Thread Josh King
Hey all, Currently I am the lead admin/webmaster of DebCentral.org. I really would like to take a few minutes out of your life to gather some inputs on an idea I have. I know the general advice from this list and other Debian-* lists has generally consistent through the years I have