Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-04 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: snipped I have just tried (repeatedly) to access whitepages.com.au, using konqueror (one of the web browsers that I have kept allowing Javascript), and, each time that I try to use the web site, it just freezes

Re: Swap space not used (problem website)

2012-05-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 16:34, Bret Busby wrote: On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: snipped Works just as well in iceweasel 12.0.1 with NoScript fully enabled. Ditto Konqueror 4.4.5 Hmm. It does work in iceweasel 3.5.16, with Javascript disabled

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-04 Thread Stephen Powell
, this swap space is not used during runtime but only on suspend, so if there is no need to suspend under heavy load (used swap usually indicates heavy load on a desktop and I fail to imagine a reason why you’d like to suspend a server…), swap the size of RAM is definitely enough. Thank you

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-04 Thread Lisi
On Friday 04 May 2012 06:16:52 Bret Busby wrote: It could simply be malicious web sites. I have just tried (repeatedly) to access whitepages.com.au, using konqueror (one of the web browsers that I have kept allowing Javascript), and, each time that I try to use the web site, it just freezes

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Claudius Hubig
is then available for regular swap file activity. This is - more or less - wrong. Suspend/Resume will consume at most swap space corresponding to the used RAM (i. e. with compression and dropping of buffers/caches, it can be far less). However, this swap space is not used during runtime but only

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Darac Marjal
less). However, this swap space is not used during runtime but only on suspend, so if there is If the swap space is available during normal usage, then it's entirely possible to have no space to suspend to. This is why windows uses a separate hibernation file (though Windows' memory management

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Claudius Hubig
actually used my swap space was when some program went rampant and decided to require more memory than available. During normal operation, my swap space is seldomly used. It'd be perfectly reasonable practice to have a separate swap file/partition for hibernating to and swapon that before

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 17:27:42 From: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Swap space not used On Mi, 02 mai 12, 15:48:30, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Thu, 3 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 02/05/12 17:48, Bret Busby wrote: snip Why is this so? JSM is that you? :-) Nope :) Is he still around? fact there is *no* swap rule. Swap is not required. Enable it if you wish - but it's not mandatory, and it's usefulness is

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Rick Thomas
On Fri, 4 May 2012 02:40:16 +0800 (WST), Bret Busby wrote: free: :~# free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 80599647746808 313156 0 54708 1352976 -/+ buffers/cache:63391241720840 Swap: 42860340 66296

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hm, I've got 4 GB RAM and two swaps, 2.17GiB and 2.43GiB, one on each HDD I'm using. I'm doing resource-intensive work with my machine. 4 GB RAM are enough for my needs and I never noticed that a swap was touched. For my kind of usage Linux (Debian and several other distros) are able to handle the

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the total hard drive capacities of most hard drives from twenty years ago 40MB (mega bytes!) SCSI drive for my Atari 520 ST here and 4MB RAM (I'm a tinkerer ;) and it's not only running the Atari TOS, there's a 80286 hardware

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 00:34, Darac Marjal wrote: On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 09:48:59AM +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote: Hello Stephen, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: It is my understanding that, assuming suspend/resume is supported, your swap partition should be AT LEAST as large as TWICE the

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 04:54, Bret Busby wrote: On Thu, 3 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 02/05/12 17:48, Bret Busby wrote: snip Why is this so? JSM is that you? :-) Nope :) Is he still around? No (only in spirit). His son is though - and does excellent medical

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 01:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the total hard drive capacities of most hard drives from twenty years ago I can't resist ... in the 80s and 90s we burned EPROMS with much less capacity than an USB stick has

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: snip When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. Did you chose this large swap or was it done automatically? My installs / + /home have around 20 or 30 GB only. Of cause, for audio productions I have

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Rick Thomas wrote: Another use for a large swap partition is if you want to put /tmp into tmpfs. Yes. The new trend for tmpfs /tmp partitions is going to require a lot of thinking and rethinking for how much swap is required. Or also swap is useful if you have an enterprise server and have

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Dom
On 04/05/12 02:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 01:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the total hard drive capacities of most hard drives from twenty years ago I can't resist ... in the 80s and 90s we burned EPROMS with

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 14:23, Bret Busby wrote: snipped If some utility existed that would display the source of an iso image, and the full version number of the source iso image, it would be good. # mount -o loop debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso /mnt # cat /mnt/.disk/info Debian GNU/Linux testing

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hm, I've got 4 GB RAM and two swaps, 2.17GiB and 2.43GiB, one on each HDD I'm using. I'm doing resource-intensive work with my machine. 4 GB RAM are enough for my needs and I never noticed that a swap was touched. For my kind of usage Linux (Debian and

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 04:54, Bret Busby wrote: snip Out of interest, with you saying that swapping is not mandatory, from memory, about 20-odd years ago, when I started learning (formally) about operating systems, we were told that UNIX has a memory

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 14:23, Bret Busby wrote: snipped Perhaps, on installation, the creation of a file to store the original information about the installation (iso image source, full version number and date of version, etc), that could be retrieved

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: snipped I have just tried (repeatedly) to access whitepages.com.au, using konqueror (one of the web browsers that I have kept allowing Javascript), and, each time that I try to use the web site, it just freezes konqueror, requiring me to use the kill

Re: Swap space not used (now screen relics).

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 15:30, Bret Busby wrote: snipped And, Iceweasel (and it may have happened with the iceape browser; I am not sure - have not used it for a couple of weeks, now, I think) has a habit of leaving fragments of dialogue boxes on top of everything else on the desktop, hiding parts of

Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even though gparted shows it to be Active. Instead of Debian 6 using the swap[ partition, it just runs

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Andy Hawkins
Hi, In article alpine.deb.2.00.1205021543070.14...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net, Bret Busbyb...@busby.net wrote: When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread keith
On Wed, 2 May 2012 15:48:30 +0800 (WST) Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even though gparted

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 02 mai 12, 15:48:30, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. four zero Gigabytes? My / + /home are only 27GB :) But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space,

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Sian Mountbatten
On 02/05/12 09:00, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even though gparted shows it to be Active. Instead of Debian 6 using

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 02 May 2012 12:12:31 Sian Mountbatten wrote: As a rule, your swap partition should be the same size as your RAM. We used to be taught it should be twice as big as your RAM - but even that wouldn't get you to 40GB!! And, of course, that was in the days when RAM was tiny by

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Lisi, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 02 May 2012 12:12:31 Sian Mountbatten wrote: As a rule, your swap partition should be the same size as your RAM. We used to be taught it should be twice as big as your RAM - but even that wouldn't get you to 40GB!! And, of

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Johan Grönqvist
2012-05-02 13:12, Sian Mountbatten skrev: Your swap partition is, very likely, too large. As a rule, your swap partition should be the same size as your RAM. Do you have 40GB RAM? Linux can handle well above 40 GB of swap. I would be surprised if swap partition too large was the reason. My

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Shane Johnson
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Johan Grönqvist johan.gronqv...@gmail.comwrote: 2012-05-02 13:12, Sian Mountbatten skrev: Your swap partition is, very likely, too large. As a rule, your swap partition should be the same size as your RAM. Do you have 40GB RAM? Linux can handle well above

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Rick Thomas
Another use for a large swap partition is if you want to put /tmp into tmpfs. Whether doing so is a good thing(TM) is a religious debate that I don't want to stir up here. But there are people who do it, and for them a large swap partition can be useful. Rick PS: We haven't heard back

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 02/05/12 17:48, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even though gparted shows it to be Active. I don't believe

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 02 May 2012 07:12:31 -0400 (EDT), Sian Mountbatten wrote: ... As a rule, your swap partition should be the same size as your RAM. ... It is my understanding that, assuming suspend/resume is supported, your swap partition should be AT LEAST as large as TWICE the amount of RAM.