Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2014 21 Sep 06:52 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
The issue of the day (week) on debian-devel seems to be systemd-shim --
which kind of has to work for anyone to use an alternate init system; but
seems NOT to work (or at least lag behind).
When systemd-shim is forced to
On 20/09/14 22:20, Don Armstrong wrote:
In all of these separate threads, you have been doing little but
maligning people who are volunteering for Debian. It's not a nice thing
to do, it's not pleasant to read, and in doing so, you're actively
draining existing contributor's desire to continue
Am Sonntag, 21. September 2014, 08:59:16 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2014 21 Sep 06:52 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
The issue of the day (week) on debian-devel seems to be systemd-shim --
which kind of has to work for anyone to use an alternate init system; but
seems
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Nate Bargmann wrote:
I am most concerned about the systemd project's intention to
subsume many other projects rather than simply be a cooperative
member of the vast Free Software ecosystem.
On Sunday 21 September 2014 14:06:32 Peter Nieman wrote:
But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it true that the
developers we are talking about in the context of systemd and similar
achievements - while maybe volunteering for Debian - are also paid
developers working for a commercial
* On 2014 21 Sep 08:00 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
For what it's worth - the angst is reflected not just here, but on the
debian-devel and the linux-kernel (kernel developers) list as well (I've
started monitoring that to see to what extent kernel developers are starting
to migrate to distros
On 14Sep21:0851-0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2014 21 Sep 08:00 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Maybe systemd will give gnu/hurd, or minix, or plan 9 a boost.
I've been looking at Guix this past week after discovering it almost by
accident:
I've been looking at Plan 9 for almost half a
On 21/09/14 14:31, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 21 September 2014 14:06:32 Peter Nieman wrote:
But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it true that the
developers we are talking about in the context of systemd and similar
achievements - while maybe volunteering for Debian - are also paid
On 21 Sep 2014, at 15:08, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com wrote:
I've been looking at Plan 9 for almost half a year now,
but since mid-July I've been focused on releasing a
cookbook for bringing it up in a virt-manager administered
virtual machine, and am closing in on releasing the
On 9/21/2014 5:15 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
On 21/09/2014, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 9/20/2014 4:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people,
particularly users, from doing something which
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was brought
to my attention. It has allowed me to make an intelligent decision
as to
On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was brought
to my attention. It has allowed me
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:57:36 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole
. In last 10 years i see a big step to
forward. Namely: choice of the DE in installer, multiarch, config
files, no problem updates, and many a and many other things.
But in last one or two years, there comes some problems (which i
mentioned here more times), but they are in particular packages
On 9/21/2014 12:03 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:57:36 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
I haven't said much until now, but I have
Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was brought
to my attention. It has allowed me to make an intelligent
Доброго времени суток, Miles.
Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:23:57 -0400 вы писали:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was
brought to my attention. It has allowed me to make an intelligent
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here.
And shutting people up is not going to make the problem go away. It
will, however, make users go away. I, for one, am looking at other
systems now. And
Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com writes:
Can we please have a list established, that is purely for providing
support for users, and, that is free of the perpetual bitching -
systemd this and systemd that?
Nobody prevents you from establishing such a list ...
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Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk writes:
On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote:
Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so
ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible.
Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
ridiculously difficult to me.
I started to
On 9/21/2014 2:39 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
Доброго времени суток, Miles.
Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:23:57 -0400 вы писали:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was
brought to my attention. It has
On 21/09/14 16:15, lee wrote:
Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk writes:
Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
ridiculously difficult to me.
I started to read the huge documentation about how to do it and didn't
get anywhere with it.
I had that experience. Then I found
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 18:42:18 +
Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk wrote:
Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are
trying to work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to
intervene in this sort of discussion, please.
Wow, how things have
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
Wow, how things have changed. Whatever happened to it's ready when
it's ready?
That quote referring to the release, which is distinct from when testing
freezes. Testing is rarely ready, which is why we have to freeze it in
the first place.
Once all of the
Steve Litt writes:
Wow, how things have changed. Whatever happened to it's ready when
it's ready?
It *freezes* Nov. 5. It's *ready* when it's ready. This is not a new
development.
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Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk writes:
Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are trying to
work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to intervene in this
sort of discussion, please.
Nobody prevents them from doing either or forces them
Cindy-Sue Causey butterflyby...@gmail.com writes:
What the person did was provide a digestible alternative for potential
peers to review. People can tear it apart verbally and/or build upon
it if they see value in what was presented..
That's what I imagine happening here, but I'm still
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people,
particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to
what they claim that they are doing.
Exactly how are Debian Developers preventing others from contributing?
Almost
On Saturday 20 September 2014 21:20:15 Don Armstrong wrote:
you're actively
draining existing contributor's desire to continue working on Debian.
This is what I have been so afraid of all along. All this criticism is so
demoralising and demotivating.
Please, Don, carry on. I for one am very
you don't listen, then the complaints will continue, and no threats
from the developers will stop that - in fact it will encourage it.
And you can believe me - if it were a choice between developing for
Debian and taking my wife out to dinner on Saturday night, the wife will
come first.
Jerry
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
It seems the developers make the decisions and users feel left out.
What we want does not seem to matter.
There are positive methods of influencing the decisions that Debian
makes and negative methods.
Positive methods include:
1) filing accurate bug
On 9/20/2014 9:51 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
It seems the developers make the decisions and users feel left out.
What we want does not seem to matter.
There are positive methods of influencing the decisions that Debian
makes and negative methods.
On 09/20/2014 04:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people,
particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to
what they claim that they are doing.
Exactly how are Debian Developers
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:48:19 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 9/20/2014 4:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
These few people are also very concerned with preventing other
people, particularly users, from doing something which would
contribute
Don Armstrong wrote:
Exactly how are Debian Developers preventing others from contributing?
For one by closing bugs without fixing them. As users we are always
admonished to file bugs. But whether those bugs will be acknowledge
and handled appropriately depends upon the project. My experience
All of your points were debated extensively and vigorously on the
debian-devel list in the months leading up to the decision. It's all in
the mailing-list archive.
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people,
particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to
what they claim that they are doing.
Exactly how are Debian Developers preventing
On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 20:15:57 -0400, Ed Jabbour wrote:
Does (or will) the Jessie install offer a choice of systemd or
sys5init?
https://lists.debian.org/5412f584.6080...@aol.com
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On 09/18/2014 at 08:15 PM, Ed Jabbour wrote:
Does (or will) the Jessie install offer a choice of systemd or
sys5init?
According to my best understanding (having not taken the time to try a
new install myself recently), the installer itself does
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:15:57PM -0400, Ed Jabbour wrote:
Does (or will) the Jessie install offer a choice of systemd or
sys5init?
Seems like it will offer a choice. How obvious that there is a choice, I
have no idea about, you/we will have to wait until Jessie is declared
the new Stable
On 09/19/2014 10:52 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:15:57PM -0400, Ed Jabbour wrote:
Does (or will) the Jessie install offer a choice of systemd or
sys5init?
Seems like it will offer a choice. How obvious that there is a choice, I
have no idea about, you/we will have
Does (or will) the Jessie install offer a choice of systemd or
sys5init?
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, the
ability to choose.
True freedom is having a choice, and as some have stated, the only
choice they see may be to move to another operating system if Debian
doesn't give them choice within it. But there is always choice.
At the moment you *have* a choice. I think Debian one of the *few
to their work.
Anyway I think that the real subject is, as others have said, the
ability to choose.
True freedom is having a choice, and as some have stated, the only
choice they see may be to move to another operating system if Debian
doesn't give them choice within
On 16/09/14 17:43, Andre N Batista wrote:
I find your lack of imagination disturbing. So disturbing that I here
and now propose a better approach: dox da madafuka hairy poetter and
point these threads as his fault, his problem. For years to come people
would remember what happens to those who
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Andre N Batista wrote:
dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault,
his problem.
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
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On 09/16/2014 01:36 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Andre N Batista wrote:
dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault,
his problem.
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
Threat? I couldn't figure out what he was saying,
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:36:51 -0700
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote:
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
Let it be, at this rate there will be blood (a lot) for Halloween ;-)
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think that the real subject is, as others have said, the
ability to choose.
True freedom is having a choice, and as some have stated, the only
choice they see may be to move to another operating system if Debian
doesn't give them choice within it. But there is always choice.
At the moment
On 03/29/2014 01:32 PM, Peter Michaux wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Mark Neyhart mark.neyh...@akleg.gov wrote:
On 03/28/2014 03:22 PM, Peter Michaux wrote:
Is Dirvish still a good choice in 2014?
Dirvish just works. I've been using it for years.
Where is your bank directory
Hi,
Dňa Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:22:07 -0700 Peter Michaux
petermich...@gmail.com napísal:
Looking at the Dirvish website [2] it seems that the project has been
inactive since 2008. Perhaps Dirvish is such a simple layer over top
of rsync that its been stable and hasn't needed attention in all
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:31:28 +0100
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Hi,
Dňa Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:22:07 -0700 Peter Michaux
petermich...@gmail.com napísal:
Looking at the Dirvish website [2] it seems that the project has
been inactive since 2008. Perhaps Dirvish is such a simple layer
Hi,
Dňa Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:01:21 -0400 Steve Litt
sl...@troubleshooters.com napísal:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:31:28 +0100
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Dňa Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:22:07 -0700 Peter Michaux
petermich...@gmail.com napísal:
Looking at the Dirvish website [2] it seems that
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Mark Neyhart mark.neyh...@akleg.gov wrote:
On 03/28/2014 03:22 PM, Peter Michaux wrote:
Is Dirvish still a good choice in 2014?
Dirvish just works. I've been using it for years.
Where is your bank directory?
The example configuration file has /backups
in all this
time.
Is Dirvish still a good choice in 2014?
Thanks,
Peter
[1] http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.backup.html
[2] http://www.dirvish.org/
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is such a simple layer over top
of rsync that its been stable and hasn't needed attention in all this
time.
Is Dirvish still a good choice in 2014?
Thanks,
Peter
Hi Peter,
This isn't responsive to your question, but if you find out that
Dirvish isn't what you want, here's the rsync based backup
On 03/28/2014 03:22 PM, Peter Michaux wrote:
Is Dirvish still a good choice in 2014?
Dirvish just works. I've been using it for years.
Mark Neyhart
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-dedicate to) backups.
I am not at all familiar with Dirvish, however, the Debian Administrator's
Handbook came out in 2012 or 2013, so it was after the last release of
Dirvish.
Is Dirvish still a good choice in 2014?
I say give it a shot. If it works for you and doesn't have any obvious
issues
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 04:02:21PM -0800, Arnold Bird wrote:
I should be able to chose my init system,
just as I am able to chose my kernel, my
window manager, my email client, everything.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00503.html
Linux IS about choice.
http
On 3/3/2014 7:27 PM, Doug wrote:
/snip/
Two comments:
1. Debian is *not* the universal operating system. After Windows and Mac
OsX, and maybe Unix, probably Ubuntu is.
I'd have to give the Universal crown to NetBSD:
http://www.netbsd.org/ports/#ports-by-cpu
Maybe one of the other
On 05/03/14 01:37, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
On 3/3/2014 7:27 PM, Doug wrote:
/snip/
Two comments:
1. Debian is *not* the universal operating system. After Windows and Mac
OsX, and maybe Unix, probably Ubuntu is.
I'd have to give the Universal crown to NetBSD:
a life.
You don't like Debian's choice. That's cool. There are lots of distros
out there. And it sounds to me like it might be doable to replace your
distro's chosen initialization. Rather than tell Debian people how
stupid the Debian choice was, why don't you just choose another distro?
Why don't you
it is again:
You do not like systemd, then get out
Simple mantra repeated by the systemd men and women.
I should be able to chose my init system,
just as I am able to chose my kernel, my
window manager, my email client, everything.
Linux IS about choice.
Debian doubly so. Debian IS the universal
On 04/03/14 11:02, Arnold Bird wrote:
I myself do not like systemd either.
Bully for you. You've pointed that out, many times. Maybe using all
those different names has further confused you - Fred Wilson, Natural
Linux, NoStuffIdontUnderstand, etc, unless... it's all an act.
snipped more bile
On 03/03/2014 07:02 PM, Arnold Bird wrote:
I myself do not like systemd either.
Why don't I go use some other distro
since a vote was won on some corner
mailing list by a grand total of
4 people infavor and 4 people against
about one week ago??
Well:
Debian is the universal operating system.
out of your own country.
Go create your own, we bought the politicians and
thus control the passive army
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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems - SysV is
FINE.
Date
Once again, you rant multiple lists whilst hiding who you are.
I am Zenaan Harkness. I have some (not all) strongly held views.
As an aside, I shall use systemd and have tried a few times now, but
have a technical issue or two with my setup when using systemd, which
I need to find time to solve
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From: Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems - SysV is
FINE.
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 19:27:23 -0500
[...]
1. Debian is *not* the universal operating system. After
, everything.
You're not gender-challenged? I am gender challenged - I'm pretty well
stuck being the sex I am. But I don't complain on debian-user about
that!
Linux IS about choice.
You might think it is. Sounds like you're stability-challenged to me.
Perhaps leg-disabled?
Debian doubly so. Debian
, etc.
It's like getting kicked out of your own country.
Go create your own, we bought the politicians and
thus control the passive army
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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice
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Matthias Urlichs, Why should we believe you or the bullshit excuses givenin the article?The fact is, last year none of this crap was needed.Now it suddenly is.Furthermore gnome stole libgtk from the gimp project recentlyand then they made an incompatable "libgtk" 3.0.And now they're requiring all
Yes, by all means we should ignore the fake personas, Mr. Natural Linux,
whoever you are.
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Natural Linux naturalli...@dcemail.comwrote:
Matthias Urlichs, Why should we believe you or the bullshit excuses given
in the article?
The fact is, last year none of
Clearly such blatent politicking tarnishes that respect, and I'd imagine
this is becoming a popular point of view.
Cheers,
Paul
Says the systemd camp, which uses politics in every fight it wages
(and it usually wins). Using the tech-ctte to change the OS in a
fundamental way itself is an
System V is NOT hard to maintain
The scripts were written YEARS ago. They're fine. They do NOT need to be
changed.
Debian SysV has concurrent boot aswell.
Systemd is a poison apple. 200k lines of unaudited root privlege code. A
consulting
service to go along with this new _operating system_
On 2013-12-29 23:39:41 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
I've orphaned xpp in 2010, and that's after it was as good as dead upstream
since 2005 with no releases. The last time anyone touched the code upstream
was in 2008.
IMHO, we should just remove it from Debian. It was damn
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
* xpp does not support UTF-8
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630717
I've orphaned xpp in 2010, and that's after it was as good as dead upstream
since 2005 with no releases. The last time anyone touched the code upstream
was in
On 2013-12-14 14:46:03 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
Pavel Volkov wrote:
What's wrong with UTF-8 currently?
fmt: incorrect formatting of UTF-8 text
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650381
tr: fails to replace umlauts
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
Tom H wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
The most notable source of problems are /etc/init.d/foo where foo
doesn't have current LSB headers. Those files cause problems when
upgrading because the new 'insserv' program used in Wheezy
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
The most notable source of problems are /etc/init.d/foo where foo
doesn't have current LSB headers. Those files cause problems when
upgrading because the new 'insserv' program used in Wheezy to set up
parallel booting can't
.
There's no relationship between Debian choosing a default init system
and having native systemd support in every package that has a sysvinit
script.
So, as I said up-thread, should the choice be systemd or upstart, the
earlier that a decision is taken, the better in order to iron out any
problems
choosing a default init system
and having native systemd support in every package that has a sysvinit
script.
Ok.
So, as I said up-thread, should the choice be systemd or upstart, the
earlier that a decision is taken, the better in order to iron out any
problems.
A sound, common-sense strategy
Tom H wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
The most notable source of problems are /etc/init.d/foo where foo
doesn't have current LSB headers. Those files cause problems when
upgrading because the new 'insserv' program used in Wheezy to set up
parallel booting can't work without the dependency
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sun 15 Dec 2013 at 14:03:36 +, Tom H wrote:
The goal to have native systemd support in every package with sysv
scripts (if accepted) and a decision on a new init system may be
related, but only the first is linked to
On Saturday 14 December 2013 15:02:04 Bob Proulx wrote:
In my opinion one of the best features of Debian is that it supports
upgrades. It isn't necessary to reinstall. At worst it is easier to
take some _packages_ (some packages not the system, such as GNOME or
KDE) off the system before
On 15/12/13 20:04, Pavel Volkov wrote:
On Saturday 14 December 2013 15:02:04 Bob Proulx wrote:
In my opinion one of the best features of Debian is that it supports
upgrades. It isn't necessary to reinstall. At worst it is easier to
take some _packages_ (some packages not the system, such as
2013-12-15 10:04 keltezéssel, Pavel Volkov írta:
In my opinion one of the best features of Debian is that it supports
upgrades. It isn't necessary to reinstall. At worst it is easier to
take some _packages_ (some packages not the system, such as GNOME or
KDE) off the system before doing a
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 16:14 +, Tom H wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:
I've browsed through the hot debates
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
a couple of years for a decision to be made.
I don't
On Sun 15 Dec 2013 at 14:03:36 +, Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
On Friday 13 December 2013 10:44:24 Bob Proulx wrote:
In the future if Debian changes to a new init then it will be set up
such that there is an upgrade path from one to the other. Because
there are *lots* of Debian machines out in the world and Debian is all
about being able to upgrade.
On Friday 13 December 2013 17:26:01 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
So if I later today set up Debian stable, I better directly drop init
and install systemd during installation? I dislike systemd, but I
already use it for a long time with my Arch Linux.
IOW, Debian will drop init and will switch to
On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 18:13:29 +, Brian wrote:
On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
a couple of years for a decision to be made.
I don't
Pavel Volkov wrote:
Brian wrote:
The call for release goals has finished and we have received the
following proposals:
* UTF-8
What's wrong with UTF-8 currently?
fmt: incorrect formatting of UTF-8 text
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650381
tr: fails to
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:06:43 +0100, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com
wrote:
Why do you think it will be systemd?
Read the wiki page from my initial mail
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
You can click on systemd, upstart etc. there and see why it's
considered good or bad.
I ask,
Pavel Volkov wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
In the future if Debian changes to a new init then it will be set up
such that there is an upgrade path from one to the other. Because
there are *lots* of Debian machines out in the world and Debian is all
about being able to upgrade.
It's great
On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote:
Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
a couple of years for a decision to be made.
I don't think so. A timeline has not been decided yet, but it is my
understanding that a decision is definitely wanted for Jessie and
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:
I've browsed through the hot debates here
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
and the LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/572805/
But there's no mention about
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 16:14 +, Tom H wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:
I've browsed through the hot debates here
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
and the LWN article
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Tom H wrote:
But the earlier in the cycle that a decision is taken, the better.
So if I later today set up Debian stable, I better directly drop init
and install systemd during installation?
No. In Debian Stable today the default is sysvinit and everything has
been
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