Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread rhkramer
I (John Hasler) wrote: > As to TDRs, if you can get by without actually seeing pictures of all > the impedence bumps > you can get by with a fast counter, a high risetime > pulse generator, and a couple of fast comparators. Maybe $20 at > Digikey. You (Randy Kramer) wrote: > Can you

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 December 2018 15:22:07 Ric Moore wrote: > On 12/24/18 1:27 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 24 December 2018 12:29:53 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 08:39:18 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> On Monday 24 December 2018 08:18:27 Carl Fink wrote: > On

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 December 2018 14:10:44 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Hmm, intended to send this to the list, sent to John Hasler, only, who > did respond -- I hope he will copy his reply to the ist (or tell me it > is ok to do so). > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 08:21:57 AM John Hasler wrote: > > As

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/24/18 1:27 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 24 December 2018 12:29:53 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 08:39:18 AM Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 24 December 2018 08:18:27 Carl Fink wrote: On 12/24/18 7:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: I have a firmware update file kit

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread John Hasler
rhkramer writes: > Hmm, intended to send this to the list, sent to John Hasler, only, who > did respond -- I hope he will copy his reply to the ist (or tell me it > is ok to do so). Go ahead. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread rhkramer
Hmm, intended to send this to the list, sent to John Hasler, only, who did respond -- I hope he will copy his reply to the ist (or tell me it is ok to do so). On Monday, December 24, 2018 08:21:57 AM John Hasler wrote: > As to TDRs, if you can get by without actually seeing pictures of all >

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 December 2018 12:29:53 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, December 24, 2018 08:39:18 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 24 December 2018 08:18:27 Carl Fink wrote: > > > On 12/24/18 7:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > I have a firmware update file kit for it, but it requires a

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, December 24, 2018 08:39:18 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 24 December 2018 08:18:27 Carl Fink wrote: > > On 12/24/18 7:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I have a firmware update file kit for it, but it requires a dos box > > > with a usb port. When was the last time you saw one of

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Dan Ritter
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 23 December 2018 20:27:37 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 07:33:38 PM Doug wrote: > > > RE: Time Domain Reflectometer: > > > > > > Theoretically, you can build your own with a fast pulse generator > > > and an oscilloscope. The trick

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 December 2018 08:57:27 Joe wrote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 08:09:11 -0500 > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 24 December 2018 04:26:05 Joe wrote: > > > There is normally a real Nyquist bandwidth quoted somewhere in the > > > small print. I used to repair and calibrate Hitachi scopes

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Joe
On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 08:09:11 -0500 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 24 December 2018 04:26:05 Joe wrote: > > > > > There is normally a real Nyquist bandwidth quoted somewhere in the > > small print. I used to repair and calibrate Hitachi scopes for a > > while, until everyone stopped using

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 December 2018 08:21:57 John Hasler wrote: > Gene writes: > > In a cnc machine running on stepper motors, the current regulating > > of the drivers if the grounding is not truly single point, can > > crosstalk at the regulating frequency, usually well above 20 > > kilohertz, at peak

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 December 2018 08:18:27 Carl Fink wrote: > On 12/24/18 7:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I have a firmware update file kit for it, but it requires a dos box > > with a usb port. When was the last time you saw one of them? Short > > answer is never. > > Doesn't freeDOS support USB? I

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > In a cnc machine running on stepper motors, the current regulating of > the drivers if the grounding is not truly single point, can crosstalk > at the regulating frequency, usually well above 20 kilohertz, at peak > voltages well over what it takes to destroy an fpga gate as the >

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Carl Fink
On 12/24/18 7:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: I have a firmware update file kit for it, but it requires a dos box with a usb port. When was the last time you saw one of them? Short answer is never. Doesn't freeDOS support USB? I know they recommend booting off a USB drive. There's a commercial DOS

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 December 2018 04:26:05 Joe wrote: > On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 22:54:20 -0600 > > John Hasler wrote: > > rhkramer writes: > > > Yeah, but I wasn't thinking about actually using a CRT to display > > > the signal in real time, but, instead, collect samples (at maybe 4 > > > GHz??), store

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 December 2018 04:20:45 Joe wrote: > On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 23:11:35 -0500 > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Thats essentially what our high bandwidth scopes do today, $400 gets > > you a 1ghz sampler with an effective bandwidth of 200 mhz. I've got > > one, the nice thing is that because it

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 23 December 2018 23:54:20 John Hasler wrote: > rhkramer writes: > > Yeah, but I wasn't thinking about actually using a CRT to display > > the signal in real time, but, instead, collect samples (at maybe 4 > > GHz??), store them, and then display them as a static display. > > At that

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Joe
On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 22:54:20 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > rhkramer writes: > > Yeah, but I wasn't thinking about actually using a CRT to display > > the signal in real time, but, instead, collect samples (at maybe 4 > > GHz??), store them, and then display them as a static display. > > At that

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-24 Thread Joe
On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 23:11:35 -0500 Gene Heskett wrote: > Thats essentially what our high bandwidth scopes do today, $400 gets > you a 1ghz sampler with an effective bandwidth of 200 mhz. I've got > one, the nice thing is that because it is digital, a once a second > glitch in a 42 megabaud

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-23 Thread John Hasler
rhkramer writes: > Yeah, but I wasn't thinking about actually using a CRT to display the > signal in real time, but, instead, collect samples (at maybe 4 GHz??), > store them, and then display them as a static display. At that sort of frequency sampling scopes (including the old crt ones) sample

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 23 December 2018 22:20:30 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 09:03:15 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 23 December 2018 20:27:37 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 07:33:38 PM Doug wrote: > > > > RE: Time Domain Reflectometer: > > > >

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-23 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 09:03:15 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 23 December 2018 20:27:37 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 07:33:38 PM Doug wrote: > > > RE: Time Domain Reflectometer: > > > > > > Theoretically, you can build your own with a fast pulse generator

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 23 December 2018 20:27:37 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 07:33:38 PM Doug wrote: > > RE: Time Domain Reflectometer: > > > > Theoretically, you can build your own with a fast pulse generator > > and an oscilloscope. The trick is, you need a REALLY FAST > >

Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

2018-12-23 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 07:33:38 PM Doug wrote: > RE: Time Domain Reflectometer: > > Theoretically, you can build your own with a fast pulse generator and an > oscilloscope. The trick is, you need a REALLY FAST oscilloscope! The > pulse generator is easy, just a couple of transistors, maybe