Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 29 October 2016 16:29:11 Felix Miata wrote: > Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-10-29 15:44 (UTC+0100): > > Windows uses local time for the hardware clock, Linux uses UTC. > > By default, yes, but not necessarily: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/time#UTC_in_Windows Ah! It is a very

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-29 Thread Felix Miata
Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-10-29 15:44 (UTC+0100): Windows uses local time for the hardware clock, Linux uses UTC. By default, yes, but not necessarily: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/time#UTC_in_Windows -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 21 October 2016 14:09:38 Richard Owlett wrote: > I'm creating a preseed.cfg file for installing Debian 8.6 in a > dual-boot enviroment with some version of MS Windows. There are > two distinct use cases: > 1. Two of my machines with WinXP Pro SP3 > 2. A remote (~1000 miles]friend

[REPOST] Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-25 Thread Richard Owlett
On 10/22/2016 3:15 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: 2. Debian 8.6 w MATE run from LIVE DVD _displays_ the correct time 3. Debian 8.6 w MATE installed from DVD 1 of 13 with aid of custom preseed.cfg _displays_ a time 5 hours earlier. My guess: the Live DVD uses NTP so as not to depend on the hwclock

Side effects of specifying use of NTP on installation???? - was [Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro]

2016-10-25 Thread Richard Owlett
On 10/22/2016 3:15 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: 2. Debian 8.6 w MATE run from LIVE DVD _displays_ the correct time 3. Debian 8.6 w MATE installed from DVD 1 of 13 with aid of custom preseed.cfg _displays_ a time 5 hours earlier. My guess: the Live DVD uses NTP so as not to depend on the hwclock

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-22 Thread David Wright
On Sat 22 Oct 2016 at 16:42:57 (+0100), Joe wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 09:57:05 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 21 Oct 2016 at 18:47:43 (+0100), Joe wrote: > > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:58:42 -0500 > > > David Wright wrote: > > > >

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> 2. Debian 8.6 w MATE run from LIVE DVD _displays_ the correct time >>> 3. Debian 8.6 w MATE installed from DVD 1 of 13 with aid of custom >>> preseed.cfg >>> _displays_ a time 5 hours earlier. >> My guess: the Live DVD uses NTP so as not to depend on the hwclock >> whereas your installs don't.

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 10/22/2016 2:56 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: 2. Debian 8.6 w MATE run from LIVE DVD _displays_ the correct time 3. Debian 8.6 w MATE installed from DVD 1 of 13 with aid of custom preseed.cfg _displays_ a time 5 hours earlier. My guess: the Live DVD uses NTP so as not to depend

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
>2. Debian 8.6 w MATE run from LIVE DVD _displays_ the correct time >3. Debian 8.6 w MATE installed from DVD 1 of 13 with aid of custom > preseed.cfg > _displays_ a time 5 hours earlier. My guess: the Live DVD uses NTP so as not to depend on the hwclock whereas your installs don't.

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-22 Thread Joe
On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 09:57:05 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 21 Oct 2016 at 18:47:43 (+0100), Joe wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:58:42 -0500 > > David Wright wrote: > > > > > > . Neither OS was running when Civil Time changed to/from

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-22 Thread Joe
On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 09:57:05 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 21 Oct 2016 at 18:47:43 (+0100), Joe wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:58:42 -0500 > > David Wright wrote: > > > > > > . Neither OS was running when Civil Time changed to/from

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-22 Thread David Wright
On Fri 21 Oct 2016 at 18:47:43 (+0100), Joe wrote: > On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:58:42 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > > . Neither OS was running when Civil Time changed to/from DST, > > . After the time changed, one OS has run, updating the Local Time to > > match Civil

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 03:09:46PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] If you want to get to the ground of things, on my system (yes, I'm on SysV init, for systemd you'll have to find out for yourself), the magic happens in /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh.

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread Richard Owlett
On 10/21/2016 2:24 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 09:11:07PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 09:21:17AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] Relevant lines of preseed.cfg are ### Clock and time zone setup #d-i clock-setup/utc boolean false d-i

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 09:11:07PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 09:21:17AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > [...] > > > Relavant lines of preseed.cfg are > > > > ### Clock and time zone setup > > #d-i clock-setup/utc

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 01:17:21PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > CONCLUSION > Can *NOT* blame Microsoft Windows for EVERYTHING ;/ My conclusion too. There's something else acting up. Linux should pick up the hw clock and *know* it's not in

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 09:21:17AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > Relavant lines of preseed.cfg are > > ### Clock and time zone setup > #d-i clock-setup/utc boolean false > d-i clock-setup/utc boolean true > d-i time/zone string US/Central >

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread Richard Owlett
On 10/21/2016 11:46 AM, Doug wrote: On 10/21/2016 10:21 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/21/2016 8:32 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 08:09:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm creating a preseed.cfg file for installing

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread Joe
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:58:42 -0500 David Wright wrote: > > . Neither OS was running when Civil Time changed to/from DST, > . After the time changed, one OS has run, updating the Local Time to > match Civil Time, . Another OS is just being booted up. > > What Local

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread Doug
On 10/21/2016 10:21 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/21/2016 8:32 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 08:09:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm creating a preseed.cfg file for installing Debian 8.6 in a dual-boot enviroment with

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread David Wright
On Fri 21 Oct 2016 at 14:28:26 (+0100), Darac Marjal wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 08:09:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >I'm creating a preseed.cfg file for installing Debian 8.6 in a > >dual-boot enviroment with some version of MS Windows. There are > >two distinct use cases: > >

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread Richard Owlett
On 10/21/2016 8:28 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 08:09:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm creating a preseed.cfg file for installing Debian 8.6 in a dual-boot enviroment with some version of MS Windows. There are two distinct use cases: 1. Two of my machines with WinXP

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread Richard Owlett
On 10/21/2016 8:32 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 08:09:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm creating a preseed.cfg file for installing Debian 8.6 in a dual-boot enviroment with some version of MS Windows. There are two

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 08:09:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I'm creating a preseed.cfg file for installing Debian 8.6 in a > dual-boot enviroment with some version of MS Windows. There are two > distinct use cases: >1. Two of my machines

Re: Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 08:09:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm creating a preseed.cfg file for installing Debian 8.6 in a dual-boot enviroment with some version of MS Windows. There are two distinct use cases: 1. Two of my machines with WinXP Pro SP3 2. A remote (~1000 miles]friend

Time quandry when dual boot with WinXP Pro

2016-10-21 Thread Richard Owlett
I'm creating a preseed.cfg file for installing Debian 8.6 in a dual-boot enviroment with some version of MS Windows. There are two distinct use cases: 1. Two of my machines with WinXP Pro SP3 2. A remote (~1000 miles]friend with several machines - some with WinXP, others with