Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:53:53PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: The diesel-electrics and fuel-cell busses are taller by about a foot and a half due to a very large unit on the roof, but it doesn't seem to be an issue since they still come in shorter

Re: ..trundling OT; Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 10:42:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: The angle of the photo is really bad for identifying the weapon, but it looks like an AK-47. Not familiar with HK to know what they look like. But the point is that NATO-country

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 02:38, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:53:53PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: [snip] Not really, they sound like they're the identical engine. The difference is hydraulic and manual transmissions waste serious,

Re: ..trundling OT; Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 02:40, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 10:42:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: The angle of the photo is really bad for identifying the weapon, but it looks like an AK-47. Not familiar with HK to know what

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:44:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: H, I wonder where diesel oil comes from? Ooo, ooo, I know! Diesel oil comes from the Diesel Oil Fairy, who comes around pumping it into filling station tanks every night Where

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 03:24:38 -0700, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Like, say, all those people in the Hindenburg? That was a far larger amount of hydrogen wrapped in a highly flammable material. The design was stupid. Do you not realize that the

Re: ..trundling OT; Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Geordie Birch
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06 Sep 2003 00:09 -0700]: On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 10:42:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: The angle of the photo is really bad for identifying the weapon, but it looks like an AK-47. Not familiar with HK to know what they look like. But the point is

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:38:48AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:53:53PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: Well, it does sound like they have much bigger engines than what they replace. Not really, they sound like they're the identical engine. The difference is hydraulic and

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 03:24:38AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:44:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: And poorly maintained diesel engines burn soo much cleaner than gasoline engines, why it just takes my breath away! NOT! A poorly maintained diesel still runs

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 11:36, Pigeon wrote: On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 03:24:38AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:44:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] I think Ron's point was, though, that the people in the Hindenburg may not necessarily have agreed that burning up in a

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 05:24, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:44:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: H, I wonder where diesel oil comes from? Ooo, ooo, I know! Diesel oil comes from the Diesel Oil Fairy, who comes around pumping

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:59:03PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: Fascinating. How do they compare on raw bhp and power-to-weight ratio? The diesel-electrics and fuel-cell busses are taller by about a foot and a half due to a very large unit on the roof, but

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:41:22PM +0200, Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl wrote: No flame intended, but I signup to a mailinglist called debian-user to get emails about the use of debian. I understand that threads might go offtopic after a while. Read

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 02:34:29PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Well... just eat some beans and drink some beer... you'll have a REALLY GOOD Fuel Self... and it CAN ride a bike as well. That's a good way to suffer some nasty bloating while riding

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 11:51:03AM -0400, David Z Maze wrote: I'm actually curious about how various bus technologies do in San Francisco, where there's a lot of wired-electric busses but also a lot of steep hills. But I haven't spent that much

Re: ..trundling OT; Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 02:29:21PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Wait, wait, wait...is that a bobby with a Kalishnikov in that picture? An AK-x HK, probably. The angle of the photo is really bad for identifying the weapon, but it looks like an

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Geordie Birch
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [04 Sep 2003 23:09 -0700]: Vancouver, BC has a similar issue, though the steep stuff doesn't hit until you hit the outskirts of town well past the end of the electrified grid, so your closest stop is at the bottom of the hill and you get to go hike. I guess you

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:00:59AM -0400, Geordie Birch wrote: I guess you never took the 257 Horseshoe Bay Express. No, I didn't. I haven't spent much time in the Vancouver area north of the Burrard Inlet, and when I'm up there, I used to stay at

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Geordie Birch
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05 Sep 2003 01:09 -0700]: On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:00:59AM -0400, Geordie Birch wrote: I guess you never took the 257 Horseshoe Bay Express. No, I didn't. I haven't spent much time in the Vancouver area north of the Burrard Inlet, and when I'm up there, I

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:57:15AM -0400, Geordie Birch wrote: You must have seen the bus serviced ghost town of Ioco (yes it means Imperial Oil Company) in your travels near Buntzen Lake. I think Ioco was the last stop on the line, to be honest.

Re: ..trundling OT; Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 01:26, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 02:29:21PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Wait, wait, wait...is that a bobby with a Kalishnikov in that picture? An AK-x HK, probably. The angle of the photo is

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 11:04:02PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:59:03PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: Fascinating. How do they compare on raw bhp and power-to-weight ratio? The diesel-electrics and fuel-cell busses are taller by about a foot and a half due to a very large

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 10:53, Pigeon wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 11:04:02PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:59:03PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: [snip] range with a lead-acid battery; a fuel cell sounds great, as long as it runs on methanol or some other convenient fuel rather

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-04 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 10:07:39AM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: More significantly though, for long trains, is the elimination of the stringlining problem. This is the result of having all your motive force at one end of a long line of cars,

Re: ..trundling OT; Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-04 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:56:57AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..an invitation? I'll pass. ;-) http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-12759012,00.html Wait, wait, wait...is that a bobby with a Kalishnikov in that picture? - -- .''`.

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-04 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 03:04:58AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Interestingly enough, if you're in the north Willamette Valley, get yourself to downtown or Northeast Portland and hop on the 8 NE 15th Ave to Portland or the 8 JACKSON PARK to US-VA Hospital. This is a very steep bus route, TriMet

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-04 Thread Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl
No flame intended, but I signup to a mailinglist called debian-user to get emails about the use of debian. I understand that threads might go offtopic after a while. So I suggest, when this happens, we kindly ask the people discussing to move on with their discussion in a seperate 'special OT'

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-04 Thread David Z Maze
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have a Windows box laying around, Microsoft Train Sim has several scenarios running with power set up like this as well if you wanted to try your hand at it. Controls are synched between all power units automatically (iRL and in the game).

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-04 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 08:59, Pigeon wrote: Fuel cells? Already? Cool. I want one for my bicycle. Well... just eat some beans and drink some beer... you'll have a REALLY GOOD Fuel Self... and it CAN ride a bike as well. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER ED CURRY!

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:51:03 -0400, David Z Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have a Windows box laying around, Microsoft Train Sim has several scenarios running with power set up like this as well if you wanted to

Re: ..trundling OT; Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 05:19, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:56:57AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..an invitation? I'll pass. ;-) http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-12759012,00.html Wait, wait, wait...is that a bobby

Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-03 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 02:19:39AM -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 01:44:43AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..2 reason diesel-electric locomotives are popular; they are about as clean as your average power utility, and they dont put heavy loads on the

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-03 Thread Russell Shaw
Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 02:19:39AM -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 01:44:43AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..2 reason diesel-electric locomotives are popular; they are about as clean as your average power utility, and they dont put

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-03 Thread cr
On Wednesday 03 September 2003 21:18, Russell Shaw wrote: Electric traction offers a few benefits: - Quieter. - Less (near zero) right-of-way (RoW) pollution. - Better high-speed performance. - Fewer ventilation issues for tunnels or enclosed operations (e.g.: RR

Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-03 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 10:07:39AM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 02:19:39AM -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 01:44:43AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..2 reason diesel-electric locomotives are popular; they are about as clean as

..trundling OT; Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)

2003-09-03 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:14:25 +0100, Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..ok, we have OT, Wildly OT, Locomotive Transmittions, Traction, which are the next up; Trundling OT, Freight trains on the loco move, Runaway tunnel pluggers and Plug blower? ;-) The London