Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-15 Thread Max Hyre
David Brodbeck wrote: I remember when Intel started shipping processors with unique ID numbers. There was much weeping and gnashing of teeth as open-source proponents and privacy advocates declared that this would lead to the end of civilization as we know it. Yup, remember being

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-14 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jan 13, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Hal Finney wrote: I am actively involved with some open-source TPM projects and see this technology as having tremendous potential. It pains me to see so much uninformed FUD being cast about whenever the topic comes up. We're a twitchy bunch, aren't we? I

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Hal Finney
Jimmy Wu wrote: I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed it included Trusted Platform Module 1.2. Now, this raised a red flag for me, as my first impressions of trusted computing were framed by this

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread David
Hal Finney wrote: Jimmy Wu wrote: I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed it included Trusted Platform Module 1.2. Now, this raised a red flag for me, as my first impressions of trusted computing were

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread ariestao
Jimmy Wu wrote: I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed it included Trusted Platform Module 1.2. Now, this raised a red flag for me, as my first impressions of trusted computing were framed by this

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/08 17:07, David wrote: Hal Finney wrote: [snip] There is no critique of open source formats here (I've been meaning to check back on the Open Bios project for a while), but I do endorse full control being in the hands of the enduser,

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Mike Bird
On Sun January 13 2008 17:18:42 Ron Johnson wrote: Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. How about with a Debian installation CD? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread David
Ron Johnson wrote: Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. They should get the Canadians to show them what they don't know how. Regards, -- David Palmer Linux User - #352034 -- To

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/08 19:42, David wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. They should get the Canadians to show them what they

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 08:23:30PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/13/08 19:42, David wrote: Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. They should get the Canadians to show them what

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-12 Thread Martin Marcher
On Saturday 12 January 2008 08:45 David wrote: I'm a member of Al Quaida OMG, everybody RUN! Yes that missquote was on purpose, please read the references before arresting this person...(whoever it may concern...) -- http://noneisyours.marcher.name

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-12 Thread Damon L. Chesser
David wrote: Scott Gifford wrote: David [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] (2) Does Debian support TPM chips? What is the community's take on the issue? My take is that TPM does have some security merits, but it also has a lot of potential for abuse. Google turned up these

Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 10, 2008 12:31 PM, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote: You might want to make the recovery CDs and save the recovery partition. In this sad world, being able to restore/reinstall Vista will dramatically improve resale value when

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread David
Jimmy Wu wrote: snip I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed it included Trusted Platform Module 1.2. Now, this raised a red flag for me, as my first impressions of trusted computing were framed by

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread Andrew Reid
On Friday 11 January 2008 22:14, Jimmy Wu wrote: On Jan 10, 2008 12:31 PM, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote: You might want to make the recovery CDs and save the recovery partition. In this sad world, being able to restore/reinstall

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread Scott Gifford
David [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] (2) Does Debian support TPM chips? What is the community's take on the issue? My take is that TPM does have some security merits, but it also has a lot of potential for abuse. Google turned up these results of the beginnings of TPM

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread David
Scott Gifford wrote: David [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] (2) Does Debian support TPM chips? What is the community's take on the issue? My take is that TPM does have some security merits, but it also has a lot of potential for abuse. Google turned up these results of the