Albretch Mueller put forth on 1/12/2010 1:14 AM:
Multiseat environments would be the next great
thing, not only regarding the savings on hardware, but also on the
utility bill ;-)
But here is where you diverge from reality. The total cost in hardware,
OS/application setup man-hours, and
The total cost in hardware, OS/application setup man-hours, and electricity
is *higher* if you attempt the multi-seat route with one big powerful box vs
many small power efficient boxen.
~
Well, honestly, we may be looking at these issues from entirely
different points of view, but I don't
Albretch Mueller put forth on 1/12/2010 4:00 AM:
The only extra cost here would be the special video cards for each
seat but even they are commercial nowadays and making multi-seat work
would be our job right?
You're still missing the overall picture here. In your living room or basement,
On Monday 11 January 2010 23:45:12 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/11/2010 12:23 PM:
4. I had to switch VTs to the X server that was handling the OpenGL
commands for the GLX calls to complete. Likely, the video driver I am
using requires exclusive access to the
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/12/2010 11:41 AM:
On Monday 11 January 2010 23:45:12 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/11/2010 12:23 PM:
4. I had to switch VTs to the X server that was handling the OpenGL
commands for the GLX calls to complete. Likely, the
The only extra cost here would be the special video cards for each
seat but even they are commercial nowadays and making multi-seat work
would be our job right?
~
You're still missing the overall picture here. In your living room or
basement, or in a library or lab with a 30 foot long
Albretch Mueller put forth on 1/12/2010 12:06 PM:
In a friendly and technically honest way, what the f#ck are you
taking about? I would like to understand you because I am not
primarily a hardware guy. Why would you need CAT5 to support USB?
From: http://www.usb.org/developers/usbfaq/#cab1
On Tuesday 12 January 2010 12:06:30 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
As a test of your theory, fire up your favorite ID
Software OpenGL Linux game on one Debian PC piping its GL calls over the
network to another PC's X server.
I happen to know that on my home LAN, the frame rates would be unacceptably
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/12/2010 1:24 PM:
On Tuesday 12 January 2010 12:06:30 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
As a test of your theory, fire up your favorite ID
Software OpenGL Linux game on one Debian PC piping its GL calls over the
network to another PC's X server.
I happen to know
The USB cable length limit is 5 meters, or 16.4 ft. To go 100 ft with USB
requires a USB balun. Read about baluns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun
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OK, I got your point accross better now. The thing is that I wasn't
really thinking this way about implementing it from a hardware point
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Albretch Mueller put forth on 1/12/2010 4:00 AM:
The only extra cost here would be the special video cards for each
seat but even they are commercial nowadays and making multi-seat work
would be our job right?
You're still
On Friday 08 January 2010 13:43:19 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/8/2010 1:35 PM:
Yet again, you make no points about OpenGL that have not been make about
X in the past. Yet, X (and I'm pretty sure OpenGL) still *work* over the
network.
Cite an example of a
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/11/2010 12:23 PM:
4. I had to switch VTs to the X server that was handling the OpenGL commands
for the GLX calls to complete. Likely, the video driver I am using requires
exclusive access to the hardware to process some GLX requests.
This is my point.
~
Let me add a few more general points about multiseat environments ...
~
Multiseat environments have been a great unexploited idea for a long
time (what happened with cars in the 70's has been happening with
computers since the 90's, but no paradigm shift has really happened
since then) The
On 1/12/2010 1:14 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
~
Let me add a few more general points about multiseat environments ...
~
Also say you have a home setup or a lab in which security illusions
are less of an issue and using one of these 50 a 100 ft long VGA
cables you have a seat in another
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:15:28 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
In 4b44b28b.10...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
To make OpenGL
really scream on single user 3D chips, they had to eliminate over the
network OpenGL completely, as keeping that capability would
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Chris. Once I had discovered the keyword multiseat I have
been able to google what I need on the topic. I do appreciate the
gentle hint, though. I do try to be independent.
No problem. Glad it was useful
Chris
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In f5d9e7eab901df344ed85d706d47c...@localhost, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:15:28 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
In 4b44b28b.10...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
To make OpenGL
really scream on single user 3D chips, they had to eliminate over
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/8/2010 1:35 PM:
Yet again, you make no points about OpenGL that have not been make about X in
the past. Yet, X (and I'm pretty sure OpenGL) still *work* over the network.
Cite an example of a current working Linux remote OpenGL implementation. I'd
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each
with their own user accounts, monitor, and
2010/1/7 Chris Davies chris-use...@roaima.co.uk:
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_
Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each
with their own user accounts, monitor, and keyboard? The goal
Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 09:03, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 10:21 AM:
Stan writes:
What about sound?
Two sound cards. Sound is handled entirely seperately from video.
No kidding? (sarcasm)
The question is how do you
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 16:02, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 09:03, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 10:21 AM:
Stan writes:
What about sound?
Two sound cards. Sound is handled entirely
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each
with their own user accounts, monitor, and keyboard? The goal is to
save space,
On Wednesday 06 January 2010 02:58:48 Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each
with their own user
Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each
with their own user accounts, monitor, and keyboard? The goal
2010/1/6 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net:
On Wednesday 06 January 2010 02:58:48 Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this
2010/1/6 Nick Douma n.do...@nekoconeko.nl:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each
with their own user
On 01/06/2010 09:58 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each
with their own user accounts, monitor, and
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Thanks, Boyd, that was actually ver informative. As there is no room
for a second tower, I will see about modding the existing tower for
two motherboards. There actually is room, only the CPU cooling tubes
might be problematic
Thin clients do come in very physically thin
On 2010-01-06 at 03:58:48 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each
with their own user accounts,
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2010/1/6 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net:
From what I understand about Linux in general, no. At the very least, doing
so your be overly complicated.
...
Thanks, Boyd, that was actually ver informative. As there is no room
for a second tower, I will see
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote at 2010-01-06 04:59 -0600:
On Wednesday 06 January 2010 02:58:48 Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this
Avi Greenbury wrote at 2010-01-06 08:24 -0600:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Thanks, Boyd, that was actually ver informative. As there is no room
for a second tower, I will see about modding the existing tower for
two motherboards. There actually is room, only the CPU cooling tubes
might be
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Nick Douma n.do...@nekoconeko.nl wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_
On Wednesday 06 January 2010 09:06:06 green wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote at 2010-01-06 04:59 -0600:
Without hard disks, and needing only enough CPU power to run X, the
second system could be *very* small. Since it could share (at least)
/usr with the main system, it wouldn't need to
Dotan Cohen put forth on 1/6/2010 8:13 AM:
Oh, and I'm going to have to see if a single 500W power supply with
another pigtail soldered will power both! That should probably be the
weak point in the system!
Just get one of these and install Debian via USB thumb drive netinst:
Chris Jackson put forth on 1/6/2010 8:34 AM:
I'm curious about whether this is possible with udev, since that was in
the days before it - I think it may - possibly - be, and might have some
time to experiment this weekend if you're still interested.
Now all you have to do is hack sound for
http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/6/2010 9:20 AM:
Technically, OpenGL was designed with network transparency in mind, but it
doesn't always work well when large textures and/or changing textures or
geometries are involved.
Waaay back in the day this was true, when an SGI, SUN, HP,
John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 9:39 AM:
http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO
What about sound? Is the 2nd user not assumed to visit youtube?
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On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 10:58:48AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each
with their own user
Stan writes:
What about sound?
Two sound cards. Sound is handled entirely seperately from video.
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John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 10:21 AM:
Stan writes:
What about sound?
Two sound cards. Sound is handled entirely seperately from video.
No kidding? (sarcasm)
The question is how do you configure the 2nd user session to use a secondary
sound device? That is what the original OP needs
seems pretty straight forward
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX
Thanks, there is some great info there. And as Ubuntu is a Debian
derive, this looks quite what I need.
Thank you!
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I honestly don't know if what you want to do is possible, or if so
how. It wouldn't surprise me if Debian can support two monitors
on the same workstation. It would surprise me if Debian can support
two different keyboards on the same workstation. But I really don't
know. But here's
I personally would be more inclined to try it from a single system. It might
be considerably simpler than your modding, and it would definitely be more
interesting, in my opinion.
Simpler if software is your field. Engineering is mine! As for which
is more interesting, I can take pics of a
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 09:03, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 10:21 AM:
Stan writes:
What about sound?
Two sound cards. Sound is handled entirely seperately from video.
No kidding? (sarcasm)
The question is how do you configure the 2nd user
Just get one of these and install Debian via USB thumb drive netinst:
http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
It's only 4 x 4.5 x 1.05 I just measured and it's smaller than my hand.
That looks pretty good, but it is very short on RAM (1 GB) and the FAQ
is very clear that it
The question is how do you configure the 2nd user session to use a secondary
sound device? That is what the original OP needs to know.
That looks like something that Pulse Audio should be able to handle. I
understand that sound routing is native in PA.
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Just get one of these and install Debian via USB thumb drive netinst:
http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
It's only 4 x 4.5 x 1.05 I just measured and it's smaller than my hand.
That looks pretty good, but it is very short on RAM (1 GB) and the FAQ
2010/1/6 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Just get one of these and install Debian via USB thumb drive netinst:
http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
It's only 4 x 4.5 x 1.05 I just measured and it's smaller than my hand.
That looks pretty
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 10:58:48AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a
discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and
keyboards.
Does Debian support using this computer for _two_
I just found this:
http://www.mobilewhack.com/computers/review/ncomputing_xtenda_x300_desktop_expansion_kit.html
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Dotan Cohen wrote at 2010-01-06 13:02 -0600:
I personally would be more inclined to try it from a single system. It
might
be considerably simpler than your modding, and it would definitely be more
interesting, in my opinion.
Simpler if software is your field. Engineering is mine! As
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 02:24:37PM +, Avi Greenbury wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Thanks, Boyd, that was actually ver informative. As there is no room
for a second tower, I will see about modding the existing tower for
two motherboards. There actually is room, only the CPU cooling tubes
In 4b44b28b.10...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
To make OpenGL
really scream on single user 3D chips, they had to eliminate over the
network OpenGL completely, as keeping that capability would have totally
hosed the rendering pipeline performance for 3D chips.
That makes no sense.
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