In any case, you may notice that I have quietly dropped the sig. Fuck
it, I'll miss a message here or there, but it's better than pissing
everybody off. I had no idea that would be the case.
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You can't please all the people all the time.
If you modify your actions every time some
Not only that, but it's definitely not production ready. Almost
I've seen far worse in production equipment. OTOH, without a case, it
does look far from professional.
Well, production in this case is not people will die if it fails so
it is passable for his needs.
Unless, that is, Dotan
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:08:22 +0300
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Hello Dotan,
Well, production in this case is not people will die if it fails so
it is passable for his needs.
:-)
Unless, that is, Dotan stripped the unit to take the photograph.
No, actually, that is how it came!
Looking like that, it'd be virtually unsaleable here, unless it was
sold in kit form.
Here being the UK.
I have seen the UK electrical mains connectors. I would have to admit
that our standards are well below UK levels!
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:15:22 +0300
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dotan,
I have seen the UK electrical mains connectors. I would have to admit
that our standards are well below UK levels!
Mains electrics are covered by different regulations. Certainly,
however, our mains
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 01:48:30AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
. . .
In any case, you may notice that I have quietly dropped the sig. Fuck
it, I'll miss a message here or there, but it's better than pissing
everybody off. I had no idea that would be the case.
Well, I'm not everybody. So,
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:01:56 -0500
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Hello Ron,
Not only that, but it's definitely not production ready. Almost
I've seen far worse in production equipment. OTOH, without a case, it
does look far from professional.
Unless, that is, Dotan stripped the
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:40:28 +0300
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dotan,
It is where the smart card gets plugged in. They seem like oversized
SIM cards
Like Kevin said, this thing will need software to drive it. It's not
going to automount like a memory card. His answer is
Thanks, Kevin and Brad. I now have a good starting point, and should
be able to google my way out of the situation.
To clarify, for those who I've confused in the beginning of the thread:
Despite claims by the user that he is connecting USB smart card
readers via serial, he has two different
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:04:22 +0300
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dotan,
Thanks, Kevin and Brad. I now have a good starting point, and should
YW. Just glad I could help, albeit in a limited way.
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On 04/23/2010 07:04 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Thanks, Kevin and Brad. I now have a good starting point, and should
be able to google my way out of the situation.
To clarify, for those who I've confused in the beginning of the thread:
Despite claims by the user that he is connecting USB smart card
Indeed. Sounds to me as though Dotan's neighbour isn't all that tech
savvie.
He's not, he's calling _me_ for support! Actually, he is very
knowledgeable in his field, but this is not his field.
It turns out to be a mess of parts. There is the USB card reader that
I mentioned earlier, and
Here is the device:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9641/seriall.jpg
It is a real serial device, no USB.
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:41:52 +0300
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dotan,
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9641/seriall.jpg
Never seen anything like that before. Without the numbers of the ICs, I
couldn't even hazard a guess.
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http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9641/seriall.jpg
Never seen anything like that before. Without the numbers of the ICs, I
couldn't even hazard a guess.
This is as zoomed in as it gets:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9030/serial.jpg
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:14:06 +0300
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dotan,
This is as zoomed in as it gets:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9030/serial.jpg
I can tell you what the components are (I used to build electronic
circuits for a living);
MAX232 converts TTL voltage
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 05:02:02PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
On 4/19/2010 4:29 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-04-19 04:24, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not
Is the big black block a PCMCIA connector, perhaps?
It is where the smart card gets plugged in. They seem like oversized SIM cards.
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I still don't get it. And why the snark? Not really called for...
Maybe it was just me.
I felt that by including the Cc: line in his sig. Dotan was dragging out the
issue of Cc:'ing somebody's INBOX, a very basic etiquette violation, that
just happen on a different thread. (I don't see
From: Dotan Cohen [mailto:dotanco...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:42 AM
Here is the device:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9641/seriall.jpg
It is a real serial device, no USB.
I don't know a lot about smart cards, but as far as I know, you need software
to communicate
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:21:12 -0500
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Hello Ron,
Yeah, but this is one of those release the apple and it falls
guesses. *Occasionally* it won't, but usually, like 10 9's, it will.
or as Terry Pratchett puts it;
Nine times out of ten, a million to one
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:02:25 -0500
Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
Hello Mark,
That ought actually to work, if a computer were plugged into the USB
side. Then you would have a very slow transfer cable.
Yes, but AIUI, the computer's on the RS232 side.
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On 2010-04-20 03:07, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:02:25 -0500
Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
Hello Mark,
That ought actually to work, if a computer were plugged into the USB
side. Then you would have a very slow transfer cable.
Yes, but AIUI, the computer's on the RS232
On 4/20/2010 3:07 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:02:25 -0500
Mark Allumsm...@allums.com wrote:
Hello Mark,
That ought actually to work, if a computer were plugged into the USB
side. Then you would have a very slow transfer cable.
Yes, but AIUI, the computer's on the RS232
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:48:33 -0500
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Hello Ron,
That's what OP wrote, but it makes no sense.
Indeed. Sounds to me as though Dotan's neighbour isn't all that tech
savvie.
Again, a bit of guess on my part.
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:36:13 -0500
Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
Hello Mark,
Well, I meant a computer on both sides, but it matters not a whit. I
Ah, I see.
should probably not post (even to make a joke) if I can't actually be
helpful, it wastes everyone's time.
Jokes are fine.
On 2010-04-20 12:24, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:48:33 -0500
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Hello Ron,
That's what OP wrote, but it makes no sense.
Indeed. Sounds to me as though Dotan's neighbour isn't all that tech
savvie.
Again, a bit of guess on my part.
So, is does this SC reader (a) serial-over-USB or (b) USB-over-serial?
I should imagine (b), but I have not gotten there yet to see.
(a) is common, (b) is what you described, but I've never heard of (b). Are
you sure you wrote what you really mean?
No, I have not gotten there yet to look
What is unusual is that the page explicitly talks about Linux support and
seems to have instructions on using it under Linux.
The Linux support consists of connecting the device to a Windows
computer, installing some module on the device, then using it in
module mode. Over the telephone it is
It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
Plonk
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not up to the task.
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Why aren't they on real USB, I don't know.
Because the device may expect a USB host controller instead a RS-232 :-?
Likely!
I am going over there to help
him tomorrow, so to come prepared I started googling today. Although the
USB-serial adaptors seem to be popular, I find nothing about
It might just be me, but when I head USB-serial adaptor I think of
something like a PL2303 which can be used to attach devices with a
serial connector to a PC that lacks a serial port. It would be news to
me if these adaptors worked the other way round, too.
But if it actually works, you
Plz show us a link to a USB adapter that plugs into a PC's serial port.
I've never even looked for one. I'm just going what by Dotan wrote. By
the sounds of it, he's not seen the set up yet, anyhow. It could well
be that his neighbour has got a USB-RS232 adapter plugged in the wrong
way
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:09:08 +0300
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dotan,
I think that serial doesn't even support some USB features, so I am
More of an issue would be getting the +/-12V from a 5V i/f. Not
impossible, but not cheap when compared with the getting 5V from 12V.
On 2010-04-19 02:58, Dotan Cohen wrote:
It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
Plonk
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not up to the task.
You completely missed (probably because gmail's
On 2010-04-19 02:54, Dotan Cohen wrote:
So, is does this SC reader (a) serial-over-USB or (b) USB-over-serial?
I should imagine (b), but I have not gotten there yet to see.
Then he probably is clueless.
(a) is common, (b) is what you described, but I've never heard of (b). Are
you sure
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not up to the task.
You completely missed (probably because gmail's web interface so incredibly
sucks) why he's plonking you.
He quoted the
On 2010-04-19 04:24, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not up to the task.
You completely missed (probably because gmail's web interface so incredibly
sucks) why
On 19 April 2010 12:15, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 2010-04-19 02:54, Dotan Cohen wrote:
So, is does this SC reader (a) serial-over-USB or (b) USB-over-serial?
I should imagine (b), but I have not gotten there yet to see.
Then he probably is clueless.
Well, he is turning
Yes. If you used a semi-competent MUA, you'd see that.
I know, they all have their tradeoffs. Thanks.
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On 4/19/2010 4:29 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-04-19 04:24, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not up to the task.
You completely missed (probably because
On 4/18/2010 3:27 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:15:53 -0500
Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Hello Ron,
Plz show us a link to a USB adapter that plugs into a PC's serial port.
I've never even looked for one. I'm just going what by Dotan wrote. By
the sounds of it,
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 04:12:14AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-04-19 02:58, Dotan Cohen wrote:
It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
Plonk
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not
A neighbor with an old Debian (probably etch but could be sarge)
machine needs to know where a USB smart card reader attached via RS232
adaptor would be found in the filesystem. He went through /dev, with
special attention on the tty* entries, but did not find it. What is
the right way to find the
It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
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On 2010-04-18 11:20, Dotan Cohen wrote:
A neighbor with an old Debian (probably etch but could be sarge)
machine needs to know where a USB smart card reader attached via RS232
adaptor
Huh???
would be found in the filesystem. He went through /dev, with
special attention on the tty*
A neighbor with an old Debian (probably etch but could be sarge)
machine needs to know where a USB smart card reader attached via RS232
adaptor
Huh???
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=productsdetailProductID=12
Why aren't
On 2010-04-18 14:08, Dotan Cohen wrote:
A neighbor with an old Debian (probably etch but could be sarge)
machine needs to know where a USB smart card reader attached via RS232
adaptor
Huh???
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
On 04/18/2010 04:08 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=productsdetailProductID=12
Why aren't they on real USB, I don't know. I am going over there to
help him tomorrow, so to come prepared I started googling
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 07:40:48PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
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On 2010-04-18 14:20, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
On 04/18/2010 04:08 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=productsdetailProductID=12
Why aren't they on real USB, I don't know. I am going over there to
help him
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:08:16 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=productsdetailProductID=12
Why aren't they on real USB, I don't know.
Because the device may expect a USB host controller instead a
Dotan Cohen:
A neighbor with an old Debian (probably etch but could be sarge)
machine needs to know where a USB smart card reader attached via RS232
adaptor
Huh???
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:20:49 -0300
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote:
Hello Eduardo,
I see nothing about serial there. Just a plain smart card reader that
connects directly via USB.
True, but Dotan's neighbour has an RS232 to USB adaptor that the reader
is connected to.
On 2010-04-18 14:40, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:20:49 -0300
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote:
Hello Eduardo,
I see nothing about serial there. Just a plain smart card reader that
connects directly via USB.
True, but Dotan's neighbour has an RS232 to USB
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:15:53 -0500
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Hello Ron,
Plz show us a link to a USB adapter that plugs into a PC's serial port.
I've never even looked for one. I'm just going what by Dotan wrote. By
the sounds of it, he's not seen the set up yet, anyhow. It
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