Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> "Unti recently" because there now is a way to do data retention, but: > "bup only has experimental support for pruning old backups." Indeed, it's a relatively new feature, but it's been working fine in my tests. Stefan

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-21 Thread Sven Hartge
Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> However, the virtual hard disk is a pretty large size. My method >>> compresses it further so that the size of the backup is much >>> smaller. >> Have a look at "borg". It is ideal to backup VMs (or anything using >> large files with only marginal changes inside) and I

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> However, the virtual hard disk is a pretty large size. My method >> compresses it further so that the size of the backup is much smaller. > Have a look at "borg". It is ideal to backup VMs (or anything using > large files with only marginal changes inside) and I have been using it > for my Virtu

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-21 Thread Sven Hartge
RavenLX wrote: > However, the virtual hard disk is a pretty large size. My method > compresses it further so that the size of the backup is much smaller. Have a look at "borg". It is ideal to backup VMs (or anything using large files with only marginal changes inside) and I have been using it fo

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-21 Thread RavenLX
On 05/18/2017 09:35 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote: This is the most unbelievable overkill. Windows VMs work just fine in VirtualBox. When it comes to backup, I have my backup scripts check the machines are down and if they are, include the virtual disks in the main system backup, and if not, skip them

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Yes for VM it is possible only if you use ESX server and licensed VM Ware Then better use Free Software, such as kvm, VirtualBox, ... Stefan

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> There are the so called snapshots, which you can make and then include in >> your back up. No need to down the VM. [...] > I may be wrong but I don't think snapshots can be scheduled, but rather > must be initiated I have no idea what that means. The way it normally works is that you have a

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-20 Thread deloptes
Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:03:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote: >> craigswin wrote: >> >> > Can you expand on that?  New to VMs, considering them as an alternative >> > to dualboot, with Stretch as host and Win7 as a guest to run >> > Vectorworks. >> >> VMs come with a penalty i

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-20 Thread deloptes
Mark Fletcher wrote: > I may be wrong but I don't think snapshots can be scheduled, but rather > must be initiated -- so not really suitable for an automated backup > solution. And as the conventional wisdom goes, if a backup isn't > automated, you're not doing a backup. > Yes for VM it is possi

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-19 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:03:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > craigswin wrote: > > > Can you expand on that?  New to VMs, considering them as an alternative > > to dualboot, with Stretch as host and Win7 as a guest to run Vectorworks. > > VMs come with a penalty in performance and functionality >

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-19 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:10:00PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 12:57:57PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: > >> On 05/17/2017 12:42 PM, craigswin wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: > >> > > There are the so called snapshots, whi

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-18 Thread deloptes
Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 12:57:57PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: >> On 05/17/2017 12:42 PM, craigswin wrote: >> > >> > >> >On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: >> >> But booting into a Windows VM is hard. You can't back up/export without >> losing your license and having to call

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-18 Thread deloptes
craigswin wrote: > Can you expand on that?  New to VMs, considering them as an alternative > to dualboot, with Stretch as host and Win7 as a guest to run Vectorworks. VMs come with a penalty in performance and functionality, but assuming Vectorworks runs on the pure windows machine it may run in

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-18 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, May 18, 2017 09:35:48 AM Mark Fletcher wrote: > This is the most unbelievable overkill. Windows VMs work just fine in > VirtualBox. When it comes to backup, I have my backup scripts check the > machines are down and if they are, include the virtual disks in the main > system backup, an

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-18 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 12:57:57PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: > On 05/17/2017 12:42 PM, craigswin wrote: > > > > > >On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: > > But booting into a Windows VM is hard. You can't back up/export without > losing your license and having to call MS (which is why I don't even b

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-17 Thread RavenLX
On 05/17/2017 12:42 PM, craigswin wrote: On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: Those Windows VMs though are a pain. Just warning you. If you don't absolutely NEED one, I'd advise not even bothering. I'm seriously considering just deleting mine. Can you expand on that? New to VMs, conside

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-17 Thread craigswin
On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: Those Windows VMs though are a pain. Just warning you. If you don't absolutely NEED one, I'd advise not even bothering. I'm seriously considering just deleting mine. Can you expand on that? New to VMs, considering them as an alternative to dualboot,

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-17 Thread rhkramer
Raven, Thanks! Randy Kramer On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 09:03:51 AM RavenLX wrote: --< good stuff snipped >--

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-17 Thread RavenLX
On 05/14/2017 07:51 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I've never used a VM but I wanted to ask some newbie questions about them. I regularly use Virtual Machines quite a lot for testing purposes. I'll be glad to cover your questions. For these questions, I'll be answering them based on using Vir

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-14 Thread Kent West
On May 14, 2017 06:51, wrote: * Is it right to consider that there is somehow a base OS and the other VMs somehow are set up on top of it--you boot into that base OS first, and then have the ability to switch to another VM. OK, I'm thinking that is not the case--I think I've heard of things

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-14 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 14/05/17 23:51, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: * Can I C&P between (applicatons in) different VMs and/or the base OS? While you can do this in emulators like VMWare Player, QEMU does not support it. A popular solution for QEMU is Spice . A sim

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-14 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 15/05/17 02:27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: For my VMs which shall be operated without graphics screen, i let qemu forward a host port (here 4567) to port 22 of the guest, where a SSH server will be set up by installation to offer login: qemu-system-x86_64 ... \ -net nic -net

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-14 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 14 May 2017 07:51:18 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I've never used a VM but I wanted to ask some newbie questions about > them. Then first you should read the manual and the FAQs. Here's the link to the Documentation page for VirtualBox, one of the more popular and easy to set up V

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-14 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > * Is it right to consider that there is somehow a base OS Normally there is a single real computer with its OS that runs virtual computers as "guests". (The Cloud might have its own habits to host VMs.) > I'm guessing that the machine boots first into the hyperv

Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

2017-05-14 Thread rhkramer
I've never used a VM but I wanted to ask some newbie questions about them. Currently, I don't see much use for one--I haven't had to run Windows in a very long time, which is a good thing--I used to have to occasionally run Windows to do something that, at the time, I couldn't do in Linux--oh,