Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-25 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi DC, Am 2008-06-22 21:31:41, schrieb Dotan Cohen: Yes, they require the opening of an account to write to them. I suppose that it is similar in that many FOSS mailing lists one must subscribe to post: they are weeding out the spammers. End to end it took me about five minutes to open the

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-24 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Solidworks =2005 runs in codeweavers, but nothing in wine. Which version? Anything below 1.0.0 underwent (and will in the future under the 1.1 tree) development at a significant rate of change. Frequently, prior to 1.0, things that didn't work one

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-24 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 23/06/2008, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) I must be interoperable with the other engineers running Solidworks. Your definition of interoperable seems a little weird. It sounds too much like the definition of vendor lock-in.

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 21:31 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: If anyone has any proprietary Windows apps that they'd like to see ported to Linux, then mention them and I will write to the developers as well. Wouldn't it be a better thing in the long term to encourage vendors to take a far more

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 21:31 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: If anyone has any proprietary Windows apps that they'd like to see ported to Linux, then mention them and I will write to the developers as well. Wouldn't it be a better thing in the long term to

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 01:03 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/24 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 21:31 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: If anyone has any proprietary Windows apps that they'd like to see ported to Linux, then mention them and I will write to the developers as

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is it possible to wine your way out of this one? Forgive me if this has already been brought up; I appear to only have the thread after the subject change. Solidworks =2005 runs in codeweavers, but nothing in wine. I need a later version anyway. I

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 01:24 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/24 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is it possible to wine your way out of this one? Forgive me if this has already been brought up; I appear to only have the thread after the subject change. Solidworks =2005 runs in

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 23/06/2008, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) I must be interoperable with the other engineers running Solidworks. Your definition of interoperable seems a little weird. It sounds too much like the definition of vendor lock-in. - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-22 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/22 Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jun 21 10:05 -0500]: When someone develops and maintains a FOSS solution that runs on Linux that lets me interoperate with my Solidworks-using colleagues flawlessly I will happily donate to the project twice what

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-22 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jun 22 01:45 -0500]: 2008/6/22 Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jun 21 10:05 -0500]: When someone develops and maintains a FOSS solution that runs on Linux that lets me interoperate with my Solidworks-using

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-22 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/22 Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Proprietary binary formats. Which makes your whole proposition very dicey. As a practical matter, trying to implement not publicly documented formats leads to a chasing of the taillights scenario where every time the FOSS developers get close to

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-22 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/22 Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Proprietary binary formats. Which makes your whole proposition very dicey. As a practical matter, trying to implement not publicly documented formats leads to a chasing of the taillights scenario where every time the FOSS

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-22 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/22 Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Writing to them at the address you provided means creating an account. I think they already have made up their minds insofar as price/benefits of a Linux port. Yes, they require the opening of an account to write to them. I suppose that it is

What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-21 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/21 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 21/06/2008, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally would be satisfied paying thousands of dollars for Solidworks and not having access to the source code so long as it runs on my OS. I think this is rather nearsighted.

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jun 21 10:05 -0500]: When someone develops and maintains a FOSS solution that runs on Linux that lets me interoperate with my Solidworks-using colleagues flawlessly I will happily donate to the project twice what I would be paying to Solid. That's a lot