Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-14 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 03:48:40 AM Joe wrote: > On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:20:18 -0500 > > John Hasler wrote: > > rhkramer writes: > > > When I used Windows, it was not multiuser. > > > > Which version? Win95 was MSDOS with a GUI stuck on with bubblegum. > > Windows 1, 2, 3, 95, 98 and Me

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 06:57:11AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I think what is needed is an essay comparing/contrasting the proper usage of > "sudo" versus "su" versus "su -". It should also include a discussion of the > change from "su" to "su -". A lot has already been written about

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-14 Thread Joe
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:20:18 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > rhkramer writes: > > When I used Windows, it was not multiuser. > > Which version? Win95 was MSDOS with a GUI stuck on with bubblegum. Windows 1, 2, 3, 95, 98 and Me didn't have file permissions. Every other version had, though in the

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread John Hasler
rhkramer writes: > When I used Windows, it was not multiuser. Which version? Win95 was MSDOS with a GUI stuck on with bubblegum. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, September 13, 2019 11:44:25 AM Lee wrote: > On 9/13/19, Richard Owlett wrote: > > When I used Windows I was not a aware of permission issues be they root, > > owner, or group. > > You didn't share that machine? I shared a desktop PC with a middle > schooler that I didn't want acting

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Do you have any problem with my statement: >> Today Linux is being used by an individual who is the _only_ >> user of a standalone system (e.g. laptop). Permission issues >> are much more intuitive in the Unix world than for a single >> user/owner of a laptop. I do: "Linux" is many different

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread Lee
On 9/13/19, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 09/13/2019 03:30 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: >> [snip] >> >> I have it working now after using the su - thing, well it wasn't a copy >> / paste issue here but you do raise a good point there. >> >> Thanks to everyone for their help, would be good to figure out

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/13/2019 09:29 AM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Unix was a response to the needs of a large data center with possibly thousands of users. No it wasn't. Unix was a response to Multics, which *was* aimed at systems with thousands of users. If you want to see a truly complex

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread John Hasler
Richard Owlett writes: > Unix was a response to the needs of a large data center with possibly > thousands of users. No it wasn't. Unix was a response to Multics, which *was* aimed at systems with thousands of users. If you want to see a truly complex system of permissions and access controls

When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/13/2019 03:30 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: [snip] I have it working now after using the su - thing, well it wasn't a copy / paste issue here but you do raise a good point there. Thanks to everyone for their help, would be good to figure out why things like this happen. If I put my average