Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-12-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Are you sure about that? I've seen some really heavily fragmented NTFS > filesystems. Sure, fragmentation does occur, just like in any other filesystem. > Or are you saying that fragmentation doesn't affect > NTFS's performance? Yup. You can of course build an artificial worst-case test tha

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-12-01 Thread Rob Sims
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 02:53:32PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: > > David Brodbeck wrote: > > > > On Nov 30, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > No. The NTFS file system does not need defragmentation. > > all file systems can use a defragmentor ...description of interleaving deleted... >

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2007-11-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/30/07 20:58, Sam Leon wrote: > Alvin Oga wrote: >> hi ya >> >>> David Brodbeck wrote: >>> >>> On Nov 30, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: No. The NTFS file system does not need defragmentation. >> >> all file systems can use a defrag

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-30 Thread Sam Leon
Alvin Oga wrote: > hi ya > >> David Brodbeck wrote: >> >> On Nov 30, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> No. The NTFS file system does not need defragmentation. > > all file systems can use a defragmentor > > lets assume a disk format of: > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 .. 63( aka sector

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-30 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya > David Brodbeck wrote: > > On Nov 30, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > No. The NTFS file system does not need defragmentation. all file systems can use a defragmentor lets assume a disk format of: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 .. 63( aka sectors ) if you try to read/write a

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-30 Thread David Brodbeck
On Nov 30, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: No. The NTFS file system does not need defragmentation. The best explanation I've heard of why they have a defragmenter for it is that it was considered easier to write a defragmenter than to go about explaining that FAT32 just sucks. Are you

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Note: by the way I think the filesystem present in Vista still need to be > defrag...well, once again a feature that was announced but not delivered by > Bill (please do not hesitate to correct me on these assumptions as I'm not a > user of such $$$ product). No. The NTFS file system does n

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-19 Thread David Brodbeck
On Nov 18, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Nov 17, 5:00 am, Bruno Costacurta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, it appears that ext3 doesn't need a real defragmentation operation (by 'real' I mean a specific tool that need to be run sometimes related to disk usage). Is it correc

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Nov 17, 5:00 am, Bruno Costacurta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > it appears that ext3 doesn't need a real defragmentation operation (by 'real' > I mean a specific tool that need to be run sometimes related to disk usage). > > Is it correct ? Right. > If so how it works ? It shoots for

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/07 22:10, Sam wrote: > Hi Kamaraju, > > I am also not an expert in filesystems, however, I do know that the new > native linux fs ext3 has what is called "journaling". Linux keeps track > of where everything goes, so it doesnt get disorganize

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-17 Thread Sam
Hi Kamaraju, I am also not an expert in filesystems, however, I do know that the new native linux fs ext3 has what is called "journaling". Linux keeps track of where everything goes, so it doesnt get disorganized. Once in a while you could run fsck if your really concerned about it. On 11/17/07,

Re: Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-17 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:46:56 +0100, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > Hello, > it appears that ext3 doesn't need a real defragmentation operation (by > 'real' I mean a specific tool that need to be run sometimes related to > disk usage). > > Is it correct ? > If so how it works ? I am not a file system

Why ext3 doesn't need defragmentation ?

2007-11-17 Thread Bruno Costacurta
Hello, it appears that ext3 doesn't need a real defragmentation operation (by 'real' I mean a specific tool that need to be run sometimes related to disk usage). Is it correct ? If so how it works ? Related to ext3 standard setup (see tune2fs) the disk is check by default every 30 boots or 30 da