On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 12:55:53PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
Keith G. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, I honestly don't think it's that at all. The problem is, once you
let the package maintainers update stable on the fly with bug fixes, how
do you ensure they don't break something
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd say go with Woody (compared to Slack), provided you can do a boot off
of
CD...I wasn't aware of the boot-disk issue. I started with Potato about 8
months ago, and just apt-get updated to Woody in the last few weeks.
Tried Slack way back (a number of years ago)
If you want a stable easy to manage system Debian is unbeatable.
But if you want to learn, www.linuxfromscratch.org is the best learning
experience. And you can install dpkg afterwards if it gets to be too much
work.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 03:27:25PM +0300, P Kirk wrote:
If you want a stable easy to manage system Debian is unbeatable.
But if you want to learn, www.linuxfromscratch.org is the best learning
experience. And you can install dpkg afterwards if it gets to be too much
work.
That won't be a
Danie is absolutely right. I'm pasting in from the HOWTO:
12.7 Installing DPKG
We don't install the Debian Package manger itself, but a small program that
is shipped with this package; the start-stop-daemon program. This program is
very useful in boot scripts so we're going to use it.
Hall Stevenson wrote:
Well, to an extent. Sometimes when you
report a problem with a package, the
maintainer's reply is basically, well, use
the latest one from unstable or wherever,
that should work, I'm not interested in fixing
the old version too,
Disinterest in
Keith G. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, I honestly don't think it's that at all. The problem is, once you
let the package maintainers update stable on the fly with bug fixes, how
do you ensure they don't break something major (which may not even be
the package itself in isolation, but
Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Keith G. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, I honestly don't think it's that at all. The problem is, once you
let the package maintainers update stable on the fly with bug fixes, how
do you ensure they don't break something major (which may not
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:47:07PM -0400, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
We're a small group mulling over the respective merits of Debian and
Slackware for a newbie. Of course, since apt-get takes care of installing
dependencies and upgrading the whole installed software, we were leaning
towards
At 19:18 14-08-01 -0700, you wrote:
Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com écrivait/wrote:
A Debian distro, when released, is stable.
Which stuff was I reading the other day, Red Hat's or SuSE's. It said
Don't trust our stuff, it's unstable as a swamp over hell! That's why
we're thinking Debian
Sorry if this message ends outside the thread. I can't post directly to the
newsgroup and replying to any of the two messages I received for each post,
sends the answer back to the author. There must be some Debian style here
too...
GP
At 22:13 14-08-01 -0400, Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 12:16 15-08-01 +1000, you wrote:
I have used Slackware in the past and I will NEVER use it again. It was
just so damn unreliable (windows spent more uptime than the slackware
system)
REALLY? You should post on alt.os.linux.slackware! They're una(slack)ware!
A friend of mine has a Slack
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:13:51AM -0400, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
Tell me, is this what's preventing the team from offering boot diskettes
for Woody nearly six months after kernel 2.4 is out?
You are seriously ill informed, or you prefer to spread FUD. Boot disks
have been available for
on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:13:22AM -0400, Gilles Pelletier ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
At 19:18 14-08-01 -0700, you wrote:
Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com écrivait/wrote:
Debian/stable is aimed at production systems: servers, embedded
systems, dedicated-use systems (e.g.: public
At 00:29 15-08-01 -0400, you wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:13:51AM -0400, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
Tell me, is this what's preventing the team from offering boot diskettes
for Woody nearly six months after kernel 2.4 is out?
You are seriously ill informed, or you prefer to spread FUD.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:43:48AM -0400, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
At 00:29 15-08-01 -0400, you wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:13:51AM -0400, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
Tell me, is this what's preventing the team from offering boot diskettes
for Woody nearly six months after kernel 2.4 is
At 00:49 15-08-01 -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
There are no base.tgz's for woody boot floppies. Some simple checks in
the boot-floppies docs could have told them that. The reason is we don't
need them anymore. The system is installed completely from network or
CD, or from a file called basedebs.deb
#include hallo.h
Gilles Pelletier wrote on Tue Aug 14, 2001 um 09:47:07PM:
How the hell is Volkerding and his small pack managing to put out Slack 8
with XFree86 4.1.0, kernel 2.4.5, KDE 2.1.2, GNOME 1.4, glibc 2.2.3,
Mozilla, Galeon, Nautilus, ProFTPD, OpenSSH, OpenSSL, mod_ssl, mod_php...
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 10:26:42PM -0400, Mark Carroll wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:
(snip)
If you want stable, you get it. If you want unstable/testing (which
means: usually works, occasionally tweaks), you get it. Choice. All
fully up to date.
(snip)
Well, to
hi,
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:43:19AM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
Well, to an extent. Sometimes when you report a problem with a package,
the maintainer's reply is basically, well, use the latest one from
unstable or wherever, that should work, I'm not interested in fixing the
old
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:08:31PM +0530, harsha wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:43:19AM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
Mark Carroll wrote:
Well, to an extent. Sometimes when you report a problem with a package,
the maintainer's reply is basically, well, use the latest one from
unstable
Well, to an extent. Sometimes when you
report a problem with a package, the
maintainer's reply is basically, well, use
the latest one from unstable or wherever,
that should work, I'm not interested in fixing
the old version too,
Disinterest in old versions is part of it - but
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:49:24AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:43:48AM -0400, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
That's what I said to the nut in our group who's making the tests when he
pretended some basedebs.tgz file was missing. I then made a search on
Google and it seems
Hall Stevenson wrote:
Disinterest in old versions is part of it - but
also, package maintainers usually can't update
the versions in stable except for security problems
and the like. The upload simply wouldn't be accepted.
So if a bug isn't found during a package's testing phase,
Hall Stevenson wrote:
Disinterest in old versions is part of it - but
also, package maintainers usually can't update
the versions in stable except for security problems
and the like. The upload simply wouldn't be accepted.
So if a bug isn't found during a package's testing
on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:27:57PM -0700, Karsten M. Self
(kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
I see. That's why Debian is not in a rush to produce boot diskettes. It's
not for people like us.
No.
Bootdisks aren't available yet because they're produced as one of the
later steps of the
Debian is not lagging behind Slackware. I don't understand your
complaint.
Everything available in Slackware 8.0 is available in sid. (and then
some)
I like both of them. My first distro was Slack 3.6, then I found hamm. I
have tried a couple different versions of RH and SuSE but I prefer
Debian
I'd say go with Woody (compared to Slack), provided you can do a boot off of
CD...I wasn't aware of the boot-disk issue. I started with Potato about 8
months ago, and just apt-get updated to Woody in the last few weeks.
Tried Slack way back (a number of years ago) and found it more difficult for
We're a small group mulling over the respective merits of Debian and
Slackware for a newbie. Of course, since apt-get takes care of installing
dependencies and upgrading the whole installed software, we were leaning
towards Debian. The newbie, even though his concerns for security are
limited,
How the hell is Volkerding and his small pack managing to put out Slack 8
with XFree86 4.1.0, kernel 2.4.5, KDE 2.1.2, GNOME 1.4, glibc 2.2.3,
Mozilla, Galeon, Nautilus, ProFTPD, OpenSSH, OpenSSL, mod_ssl, mod_php...
and all the usual utilities, hardly 3 months after Mandrake rushed out
their
on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:47:07PM -0400, Gilles Pelletier ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
We're a small group mulling over the respective merits of Debian and
Slackware for a newbie. Of course, since apt-get takes care of
installing dependencies and upgrading the whole installed software, we
were
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:
(snip)
If you want stable, you get it. If you want unstable/testing (which
means: usually works, occasionally tweaks), you get it. Choice. All
fully up to date.
(snip)
Well, to an extent. Sometimes when you report a problem with a package,
the
lagging so much behind Slackware?
We're a small group mulling over the respective merits of Debian and
Slackware for a newbie. Of course, since apt-get takes care
of installing
dependencies and upgrading the whole installed software, we
were leaning
towards Debian. The newbie, even though his
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 10:26:42PM -0400, Mark Carroll wrote:
| On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:
| (snip)
| If you want stable, you get it. If you want unstable/testing (which
| means: usually works, occasionally tweaks), you get it. Choice. All
| fully up to date.
| (snip)
|
|
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:47:07PM -0400, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
We're a small group mulling over the respective merits of Debian and
Slackware for a newbie. Of course, since apt-get takes care of installing
dependencies and upgrading the whole installed software, we were leaning
towards
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:47:07 Gilles Pelletier wrote:
We're a small group mulling over the respective merits of Debian and
Slackware for a newbie. Of course, since apt-get takes care of
installing
dependencies and upgrading the whole installed software, we were leaning
towards Debian. The
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, dman wrote:
(snip)
So you have some choices :
a) live with the way stable is, even if there is a bug
b) fix your own system
c) update your system to the current version (ie testing)
We don't disagree. (-: Basically, I'm saying that although my preference
is
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:47:07 -0400
Gilles Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is apt-get really worth this huge delay? We do plan to teach the newbie
some fundamentals.
BTW, in case you wouldn't know, even newbies like to be cutting edge...
even more so than oldies I'd say : )
I know I'm
Gilles Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How the hell is Volkerding and his small pack managing to put out Slack 8
with XFree86 4.1.0, kernel 2.4.5, KDE 2.1.2, GNOME 1.4, glibc 2.2.3,
Mozilla, Galeon, Nautilus, ProFTPD, OpenSSH, OpenSSL, mod_ssl, mod_php...
and all the usual utilities,
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 10:26:42PM -0400, Mark Carroll wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:
(snip)
If you want stable, you get it. If you want unstable/testing (which
means: usually works, occasionally tweaks), you get it. Choice. All
fully up to date.
(snip)
Well, to
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