Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-16 Thread Kevin McKinley
On 13 Aug 2003 18:25:16 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. Proceed with installing the rest of the packages I need. Of course, I have a list of such packages, since I make regular backups, including a COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l package.lis and scp it to another machine. I did

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Aaron
On -2471-Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:28:50PM -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus, On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 15:53, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: 100) were recognized but no driver was available. Finally working from a response

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Tom Badran
On Thursday 14 Aug 2003 17:14, David Z Maze wrote: Testing is still a comparatively young concept for Debian. For the woody release, it seemed to work fairly well. At this point, the canonical problem we've run into looks something like this: package A depends on package base (= 1). Base is

RPM bashing (was Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before;-))

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 00:01, Aaron wrote: On -2471-Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:28:50PM -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus, My mixed sarge/sid system has worked very well for me, with minimal, surmountable issues. Certainly less than I had when trying to upgrade RPM-based

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 10:26:35AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 08:22:20AM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:58:14AM -0400, Aaron wrote: So far so good with testing. After doing the dist-upgrade my machine rebooted directly back into X with the

RE: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread John M. Purser
. John Purser -Original Message- From: Aaron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-) Hey Debian-lovers, I know this question must get asked a lot, but I wasn't able to turn up many

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Jacob Anawalt
Keith G. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron wrote: I don't want the hassle of running a hybrid Woody/Sarge system, just because I'm too lazy to deal with the depedencies, but I don't mind a few bugs in exchange for a more recent version of KDE/gAIM/whatever. One disadvantage of

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 01:12:18AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 10:53:31PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: 100) were recognized but no driver was available. Finally working from a response on this mailing

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Jacob Anawalt
David Z Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacob Anawalt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was under the impression that the progression from most reliable to most chaotic was Stable - Testing - Unstable. Is that not so? So was I. It is not so (or so I've been told and my experiance backs this

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Jacob Anawalt
: Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-) On -2406-Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:28:27PM -0600, Jacob Anawalt [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus, I know your question was about Testing, and I answered

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Wayne Gemmell
I've taken another route that doesn't work for everything, for things like kde and gnome I 've done a search on apt-get.org or just on the applicable site and found stable sources. After adding these sources to the sources list you get the most recent copies of almost everything without the

Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Aaron
Hey Debian-lovers, I know this question must get asked a lot, but I wasn't able to turn up many good answers (and the answer I'm looking for is largely an opinion, anyhow). I've just (re)installed Woody on my laptop for about the third time. The first time I mucked things up severely with

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 15:53, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: 100) were recognized but no driver was available. Finally working from a response on this mailing list I installed woody stable again, changed my apt sources, and upgraded to

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Keith G. Murphy
Aaron wrote: I don't want the hassle of running a hybrid Woody/Sarge system, just because I'm too lazy to deal with the depedencies, but I don't mind a few bugs in exchange for a more recent version of KDE/gAIM/whatever. One disadvantage of moving away from stable is that you don't have the

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 01:01:51AM -0400, Aaron wrote: On -2471-Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:28:50PM -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus, My mixed sarge/sid system has worked very well for me, with minimal, surmountable issues. Certainly less than I had when trying to upgrade

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 08:22:20AM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:58:14AM -0400, Aaron wrote: So far so good with testing. After doing the dist-upgrade my machine rebooted directly back into X with the nvidia kernel module operational and everything seems to be fine.

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Jacob Anawalt
] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-) Hey Debian-lovers, I know this question must get asked a lot, but I wasn't able to turn up many good answers (and the answer I'm looking for is largely an opinion, anyhow). I've just (re

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread David Z Maze
Jacob Anawalt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was under the impression that the progression from most reliable to most chaotic was Stable - Testing - Unstable. Is that not so? So was I. It is not so (or so I've been told and my experiance backs this up.) Unstable has been fine for my desktop for

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:02:31PM -0400, Aaron wrote: Hey Debian-lovers, I know this question must get asked a lot, but I wasn't able to turn up many good answers (and the answer I'm looking for is largely an opinion, anyhow). I've just (re)installed Woody on my laptop for about the

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:02:26PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 10:26:35AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 08:22:20AM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: KDE is a very complex package. There were all types of problems. It ran fine in unstable, but you

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 18:48, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 19:28, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 15:53, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: My mixed sarge/sid system has worked very well for me, with minimal,

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:14:37PM -0400, David Z Maze wrote: Jacob Anawalt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The fact that I hear it said so much re-confirms to me that the labels testing and unstable (unless you like adventure) and possibly the writeup on the debian site lead the masses to expect

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 20:22, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 20:27, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 18:48, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 19:28, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 15:53, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Aaron
On -2471-Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:28:50PM -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus, My mixed sarge/sid system has worked very well for me, with minimal, surmountable issues. Certainly less than I had when trying to upgrade RPM-based systems. This is a repeated reply, but I had to add

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Aaron
On -2406-Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:28:27PM -0600, Jacob Anawalt [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus, I know your question was about Testing, and I answered with Unstable. You can do the same thing to go to testing if you want, but I don't reccomend it. Don't do testing unless you're just doing a

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 19:28, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 15:53, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: My mixed sarge/sid system has worked very well for me, with minimal, surmountable issues. Certainly less than I had when trying to

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 10:53:31PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: 100) were recognized but no driver was available. Finally working from a response on this mailing list I installed woody stable again, changed my apt sources, and

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 20:27, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 18:48, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 19:28, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 15:53, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: My mixed sarge/sid system

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:58:14AM -0400, Aaron wrote: On -2471-Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:28:50PM -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus, On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 15:53, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: 100) were recognized but no

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 17:10, Aaron wrote: On -2406-Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:28:27PM -0600, Jacob Anawalt [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus, I know your question was about Testing, and I answered with Unstable. You can do the same thing to go to testing if you want, but I don't reccomend it.

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: 100) were recognized but no driver was available. Finally working from a response on this mailing list I installed woody stable again, changed my apt sources, and upgraded to Sarge, where I was STILL stuck with kde 2.2! Not any